Where to start here?
Ill go first.
When the stampede of applications to more than double their income overnight arrive will all the applicants rental offerings be thoroughly assessed for small things like living conditions?
Who will do all this work? The councils are stretched already.
I dont see this new scheme ending well. Grenades everywhere with this one.
Won't have to get a job if he's on welfare and a landlord , unlike ordinary joe who would face sanctions for not taking up employment
Nope if he gets a job he has the exact same entitlement.
Also it's open to people who avail of welfare not just job seekers.
Imagine in a few years people on long term unemployment are you actively seeking employment or training nah sure I'm a full time landlord , if I get a job you'll cut me welfare
Most of those 650,000 pensions are contributory and hence not means tested and this doesn't apply to them - they could do what they want.
Not a lot of the rest are going to own their own homes; or be in a position to take in a lodger if they do.
Housing is a money making racket aided by the government.
They have no interest in building our own to rent or sell to taxpayers.
More private profits in using REIT's and sure the housing minister has shares in them anyway.
This is a story created to make it seem like government are exploring every avenue, when they are not. Its a gimmick.
In 2019 there were over 2m welfare recipients, and over 3m beneficiaries.
Surely hundreds of thousands of these people own houses?
Recipients 2019
Pension = 650,000
Working-Age income supports = 269,000
Working-Age on Employment Supports = 50,000
Illness, Disability, Caring = 400,000
Some numpty even liked the post 🤦 helps to read a post and article before telling someone what they thought they were thinking despite having no clue on the subject
Can you re read the post you're talking about. He didn't say what you think.
No it's about one person on social welfare being able to earn 14,000 on top of their welfare while punishing another person who's partner earns €5 over the income limits who in turn isn't entitled to a payment or secondary benefits such as the medical card .
But it's nothing to do with Ukrainians 🤣 despite it being in the first few lines of the article ,
you thought it was about ukranian single people being allowed to earn 14,000 without it affecting their social welfare. it isn't.
The family are entitled to avail of the exact same scheme, what exactly is confusing you here?
Jesus how far do you want to take it. Can a single person with no intention of settling down and having kids rant and rave at the couple next door with their expensive bundle of fúck?
Tax credits, Free health care when she was pregnant, free delivery, free GP visits, free inoculations, free developments, children's allowance, maternity, subsidised pre school, education, good forbid the little shít plays sports because that's tax paying dollar too....etc, etc, etc.
Be some crack if we all "debated" with the same level of contrarianism.
Where does the idea stem from oh yeah taking in Ukrainans without losing any welfare despite earning from it .
It's there in the article it specifically mentions the Shortage of housing for Ukrainian refugees
so nothing to do with ukranian single people then? I've no idea where you pulled that nonsense from.
No I stating the obvious it's like when someone mentions revenue allowed this ,
Getting welfare payments which are means tested and punishing a family for earning a few euros more as I said above take the same with someone earning 14,000 extra and keep all of their payments
So a welfare recipient with a house could be renting out a room to someone killing themselves trying to save up a deposit to get into the (currently completely dysfunctional and overpriced) property market. At the same time this tennant is paying income tax to fund their landlords welfare AND the non means testing of the 14k rent?
Jesus this country is mental.
But means tested welfare payments not being effected even if you earn 14k yet if your a couple who one or another Loses their jobs and gets a means tested payment they could lose out on getting anything if one is earning 10e over income limits , but someone in a house on the same means tested payment takes in a Lodger and can earn 14,000+ and keep all of their welfare payments and secondary benefits .
I did try.
Anyone else up to trying to explain to someone who clearly has only read the headline and has just gone straight to blatant contrarianism?
you really need to read what this is about. it is not about ukranians or single people. I can't imagine there are too many ukranian single people living here who own their own home. it is people on means tested social welfare allowance being able to rent a room in a house they own and the rent received not affecting their social welfare. the same way everybody else can earn up to 14000 by renting a room in their home and not being taxed on the rental income.
No it hasn't ,means tested welfare even going 10e over limits gets you cut of cut off ,
Yet now to help Ukrainians single people can earn an extra 14,000 and receive full benefits and extra supports such as medical cards .
It's there in black white ,you like trying to spin everything but you can't spin this oh this is nothing new .
Again you are equating 2 completely different things.
It's an incentivization scheme that already existed and has now been expanded.
There is nothing stopping the younger couple benefiting from the same scheme.
So they can become landlord and earn 14k + and face no cuts ,but a young older couple with a child face sanctions if one earns a little bit more .
Another fine disaster led by the government
The scheme isn't specific to renting a room to any Nationality.
Also you are equating 2 completely different things.
Neither scenario would be "punished" now for a change in circumstances.
But if your living as a couple your means tested and if one is earning you get less assistance , but you can essentially rent out a room to a ukrainain and the income doesn't effect your welfare payment ,
But the rest of us would lose money and medical cards .
So much for people wanted to equal system not a two tier system
Sorry you're talking through your arse here. The government treats everyone the same. There are financial cut off points for the susi grant. They apply to everyone. If the income of your parents is above that then your mum and dad aren't doing that bad.
Welfare payment aren't based on household income. It's based on the joint income of an individual and thier partner. If one partner is working and the other on an "allowance" social welfare payment then the "allowance" payment is means assessed. This again applies to everyone in the state. If one person is working and the other is on a "benefit" payment there is no means assessment. So if your father is getting means assessed he hasn't enough prsi contribution due to lack of recent work and is a long term social welfare recipient who's time on a benefit payment is up and was moved to an allowance.
You're sisters income wouldn't affect your father's social welfare payment, this is a fact. Your sisters income would only have an impact on the household in one situation and that's where your parents where social tenants with either the council or an AHB. In that situation rent is rightly based on household income , it's the same for all people on in council and AHB housing.
So it seems to me your annoyed that your social welfare and possibly council/AHB housing dependent family earned too much for you to get another welfare payment in the form of the susi grant.
Then you go on to give out about people getting free houses and 14k on top, nothing stopping your parents doing it.
This isn't an option for those in social housing
Anyway, if you only have one kid (or all girls/all boys) you only get a two bed anyway.
I suppose, Single Maaaas will only have one kid now, as it's more profitable to rent the rest of the house, than have more sprogs
The first €14000 rental income is disregarded. Now it will be the same for Welfare recipients, as long as the rental income stays below €14,0000, their entitlement to their benefit won't change. And Welfare recipients is a very broad sweep of folk, not merely those currently signing on.
You're the one who started the thread just because you heard that welfare recipients were going to be entitled to the allowance. I'm only focusing on your lack of knowledge of the whole situation. You've gone from complaining about a specific scheme that a handful of welfare recipients will be able to make use of, to an entire overhaul of the whole domestic rental regulatory framework and system - and all because you heard a few people on the dole, disability or state pensions would be allowed take in a Ukrainian in need that's willing and able to pay their way for accommodation, and not have their welfare cut off.
Where do you start... really - start living in the real world and realise that there will be no stampede, then go find an interesting hobby to keep you occupied.
People in social housing will not be able to rent a room out without it affecting their differential rent. Few of them would have a spare room anyway
This is not for people in social housing or private rented - it is for the small number of people on means tested welfare who own their own house. Some retired, some on disability payments, etc.
