https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1522290685910691850
Surely there should be sanctions put on Israeli citizens like they've done on citizens, they should be banned from sporting events and their products should be boycotted in addition no country should be selling them arms to massacre and toture people. They'd wise up very quickly if this was done. Shame of a country
palestinian terrorists have been geolocated to within 200m or so of the journalist. They were there.
-Palestinians are refusing any investigation.
What a lie lol
They're referring it to the International Criminal Court, which is independent from either party.
I had the pope geolocated up my arse about 10 minutes ago. the IDF should get to the bottom - of it.
You got a mirror handy? talk about lying.
First of all they'll be laughed out of the ICC, so that's a non-starter. Secondly the ICC does not carry out forensic ballistic tests.
Hasbara needs to do it's homework better than this.
Sounds like they'll have a ballistics person in their rolodex.
They would only gather evidence from ballistic tests, not carry them out themselves. Since the 'palestinians' are refusing such testing and can't ascertain by themselves who shot the bullet, they have ZERO chance of an ICC case.
The only people withholding evidence, are the supposedly 'innocent' people LOLLOLOLOL
It's hilarious.
If a Russian journalist was killed and Russia blamed Ukraine - and Ukraine said, okay let's investigate this together with a third party included and the Russians said no - everyone would be like LOL that so suspicious of the Russians. Probably shot up their own journalist
But when it's Ireland's favourite Jihadists refusing to show evidence, they're still the victims LOL
They would only gather evidence from ballistic tests, not carry them out themselves.
Got evidence at all for that or is your citation just, "LOLLOLOLOL"
The ICC's Office of the Prosecutor sounds like a simple ballistics test isn't going to bamboozle them
Help!!! there's been a murder!!!!
Police: Okay, can we have a DNA test
Palestinians: We didn't do it, it was the Yahouds
Police: Okay sure, but we need to eliminate you from the investigation
Palestinians: No
Police: Why?
Palestinians: We don't trust you
Police: Okay we'll bring in a 3rd party to oversee it
LOL
What a bunch of clowns.
Struggling now with whataboutisms
Perhaps you can answer the issue with what I said earlier:
International Criminal Court: alrighty where’s the evidence
Pal: right here
ICC: and the gun?
Pal: I don’t have it
IDF: I don’t have it
case closed. How is any independent investigation going to crack it? Hasbara claims the IDF track all their own equipment yet it remains they are in direct control of their weaponry and have mass opportunity to manipulate chain of evidence. So too would the Palestinians. No side is going to own up to having the gun?
But Ukrainians are the victims, just like Palestinians, your logic doesn't compute. Israel is the oppressive occupying force, just like Russia, and we need the same sanctions for it
For a parallel to Apartheid Israel it would be:
Ukraine Journalist gets killed and blames Russia - and Russia said, okay let's investigate this together with a third party included and the Ukrainians said no
Everyone would be like we can't trust the oppressive Russian regime, the same way we can't trust an illegal apartheid regime.
Unless you Zionist shills see Russia as the victim, which considering your stance on an Apartheid regime, wouldn't surprise anyone
Please do not besmirch the name of the wonderful and brave people of Ukraine by comparing them to murderous Jihadists with a genocidal ideology.
The Ukrainians have categorically rejected any claim of being associated with palestinians and on several occasions the leadership of Ukraine, spokespeople of Ukraine as well as some EU diplomats have compared Ukraine to Israel. And rightly so. They are the victims of barbaric people who seem quite willing to wipe their country off the map. A sentiment that Jihadists share with the Russians.
And yet you brought them into this thread. Good job. Now they're introduced here to be made examples with, it was good enough for you, now it's good enough for everyone else.
Hang on, I thought you claimed the 'palestinians' are going to investigate via the ICC, yet now you're poo-pooing it? Shame on you. Shame on you for not believing them and shame on you for not trusting the ICC to investigate a case with zero evidence because the palestinians refused to have the most crucial piece forensically analysed.
Still evading directly addressing the issue here. You have 2 sides which have been in bloody conflict for decades, why would you expect either side to be trustworthy? How would you trust either side to incriminate itself in the killing? Neither side would surrender the weapon. If the IDF has the weapon they'd disappear it, so would the Palestinians. By giving the bullet to the IDF not only can they still disappear a weapon but they can simply claim their forensics 'concluded' it matches a palestinian owned weapon. It wouldn't even be very hard, the IDF just says "this doesn't match any of ours, lads" and Hasbara says "see? see? totally exonerated, the IDF investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong" etc
'compared Ukraine to Israel. And rightly so. They are the victims of barbaric people'
You have this right, apartheid is barbaric, and the Ukrainians are dealing with an oppressive occupying force just like the brave Palestinians
Reports detailing the Apartheid nature of Israel’s policies include:
Amnesty International: ISRAEL’S APARTHEID AGAINST PALESTINIANS
Human Rights Watch:Israel is an apartheid state
B’Tselem: A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is Apartheid
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid
War on Want: Israeli Apartheid factsheet
Palestinian Human Rights Organizations Council: Israel Entrenches Crime of Apartheid over the Palestinian People
Yesh Din: The Occupation of the West Bank and the Crime of Apartheid
https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/AHRC43NGO185.pdf
UN ESCWA: Israeli Practices towards the Palestinian People and the Question of Apartheid
What people can do to help:
https://www.ipsc.ie/
because he saw the IDF shooting before he was shot, nobody else was shooting, therefore it's quite clear who shot him and no investigation is needed.
Just imagine this forward operating position of the United States taking all the credit
I wasn't aware there was a Lottery where anyone was just afforded their own country on a whim. I'll go and alert the Scientologists at once that they're forming a Nation-State in Nebraska or something
actually given that israel has form for murdering journalists, assuming they are responsible for the murder of a journalist is reasonable and therefore does not constitute anti-semitism.
in the case of this journalist it has been shown israel are responsible for her murder therefore doubly not anti-semetic.
That people think that is what antisemitism is illustrates the great problem with discussing this honestly.
At the end of the day what people have to realize is that Israel has a massive threat of terrorism and that has to be taken into account when these dreadful things happen.
The British had the same problem with IRA terrorists in Ireland, dreadful things happened and I suppose you could say the army as well as the intelligence services were up to their necks in atrocities but at the end of the day these actions are taken as a reaction to terrorist campaigns, it’s easy to judge from a distance.
It sounds like you're apologizing for Israel killing a journalist, and for engaging in Apartheid. It's about time we had another Hasbara in here
I was just wondering.
Is there any other scenario where guilt is applied without any evidence? or flimsy eyewitness accounts which contradict themselves and each other? I mean yeah, we tend to call them miscarriages of justice.
But it's interesting to me that very few in this thread are even willing to apply one of the most fundamental and basic rules of judicial law - evidence. Not just evidence, but beyond reasonable doubt.
We see this basic standard every day in our legal systems. Yet without skipping a beat, in this case people are happy to judge.
This exact same scenario with anyone other than Jews involved, and people would be questioning the motives of those not willing to share the evidence.
This is literally pitchfork justice from medieval times. The cognitive dissonance is astounding, but not surprising from Islamic Jihad supporters.
Did you suddenly forget the past 24 hours?
Here's what you said and none of it involved Innocence until Proof of Guilt, or Beyond Reasonable Doubt Standards etc:
Rubbish, all I am saying is these things happen in conflict innocent people get killed.
Dreadful what happened to the journalist but people need to take into account an ongoing terrorist campaign in Israel similar to the one we all suffered through in Ireland for many years.
Dreadful but LOOK OVER HERE
Weak
Anyone screeching "anti-semitism" at the points raised in this thread isn't remotely interested in an honest discussion.
it's the 3rd rail of US Politics. I've been banned from even fairly like minded social media groups because the admins were Jewish American etc. and this was a bridge they wouldn't travel on - if the news wasn't wholly backed by Israel and the US State Departments etc. then they refused to entertain it. Talking about Israel engaging in Apartheid was just a bridge too far for them and they censored the whole thing.
Truth bombs 💣️
The longer this goes on, the more palestinians will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. In a tight spot now. If they concede to an investigation, they'll get found out. If they don't, they look guilty anyway.
