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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I vaguely remember reading a "buzzfeed news" story (really) connecting a number of odd deaths of people with links back to Russia (incl. those you mention) in the UK a few years ago (when I googled I see it is dated 2017). May as well post it I suppose.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They really are using the drone tech to turn artillery pieces on the ground into almost sniper units. Literal pin point accuracy in many cases.

    Drones have completely changed modern war.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We've seen with extremists before that it's entirely possible to block out 95 percent of the media you're hearing and the prevailing public opinion around you, and just plough your own dark furrow, and these would be people who might even have grown up in the West, never mind people who grew up in Russia and then came here.

    I'm sure there are a lot of people in Russia who are swallowing the Kremline line, at least in part because decades and decades of Russian militarist culture has primed them for it. Not helped by increasingly restricted access to different voices in their news media.

    Not everyone, though, and we can see through channels such as 1420 on Youtube, that it's certainly not 100 percent support for Russia in Ukraine, though it'll probably be impossible to truly assess what the split is, at least at this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    Why Russian public must see a disaster when there are plenty of independent telegram channels which show everyday hundreds of Ukrainian KiAs and PoWs? Some of these channels are publishing documents taken from KiA, some specializing in videos with PoW - the main goal is to let relatives know what happened to them, demoralizing the Ukrainian public is a free bonus. The westerners are spared from the truth by total censorship on social networks and media, while Russian people more rely on telegram as the last outpost of free speech in the Internet. And nothing is stopping Russian people to visit similar Ukrainian channels and make judgment themselves



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    Drones + computer power. The sky is the limit (pun intended)

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is why I made the earlier suggestion that the US should supply Ukraine with 8 nuclear armed cruise missiles, and 95% attempts to keep it a secret, because you want the FSB to find out.

    I just don't see how the west responds appropriately to Russia using nukes on Ukraine - just imagine you wake up one morning to the news that Kyiv is gone, along with Zelenskyy and most of Ukraines leadership and C&C and of course the population - what is a remotely adequate response to that? I don't see one that comes close to being impactful enough to bother Putrid.

    Are we going to wake up one horrible morning to that near incomprehensibly awful scenario if Russia learns that Ukraine can nuke St Petersburg and Moscow in retalliation?

    I don't think so.

    Keep it on the quiet so there is no public knowledge of this so Russia doesn't feel that it has to save face in light of it's unimaginable consequences threat.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Is the same Russia that has strict controls on the internet, blocking multiple websites that may show reality or is there another Russia I don't know about?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Previously warned for trolling and told then any more and it would be a threadban

    Threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Or give a nuclear launch capable sub to a Ukrainian crew .......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Don't ban the rallies, but do have RTE do a blood and guts history program about Russian attrocities commited against Ukrainians. That might embarrass the Horde embassy into not organising these events due to them being massively counter productive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It's funny how these creatures always paint the west as some kind of Siberian Gulag where any dissenting opinion is suppressed but Russia is this wonderful paradise of freedom where milk and honey flows.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Subs are probably the single most complicated to operate military system. The time needed to train the crew would be in years. Also, one hit and your sunk. 8 cruise missiles can be dispersed and concealed in the same way they did with the Neptune launcher in Odessa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You want to give Ukraine nuclear missiles?

    Wow.

    That’s a fairly crazy suggestion tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On pro Russia rallies:

    I think rallying to show support for an invasion, and possibly a fresh genocide being done in Europe yet again, is a bit...on the nose right now (putting it mildly).

    There's limits to freedom of speech. Seems like it is risk to public order + decency (that sounds old fashioned, but 🤷‍♀️) and should be shut down, possibly for participants' own health if we have 25-30 k or so Ukrainian refugees (fleeing the same war the "Z" fans would be celebrating) in Ireland now.

    Some of the "this is Ireland" (yes, and not the USA) and "we have freedom of speech here" notions strike me as idealistic and detached from reality. Hopefully nothing violent happens if pro war rallies take place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭ronivek


    While drones are clearly a huge benefit they're not able to make artillery fire (using standard shells at least) "pin point" accurate. Many of the videos we've seen are cut to show the hits or near misses; but often the much wider misses aren't shown. Note how in certain landscapes you can see dozens if not hundreds of randomly scattered craters; that's the reality of artillery accuracy.

    The really scary part is drones with laser/radio and/or GPS designators which can be used alongside guided shells. Those shells are general accurate to within metres of a target.

    It's not really clear to what extent Ukraine has had access to guided shells until now: but hopefully they're getting a bunch of them with the latest shipments from NATO. Also hopefully they're getting a bunch of advanced fuse types which they haven't seemed to have access to until now.

    Also the newer NATO artillery should in general be more accurate at longer ranges than most of the soviet stuff they've been using. So hopefully we'll get to see even more devastating artillery fire in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    He also suffers from "Parkinson's disease and schizoaffective disorder", which carries symptoms of schizophrenia including hallucinations and mania.


    fukking hell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Of course there will be trouble if the 'Z' rallies happen. And then that kind of stuff will be used by the Kremlin as 'proof' about anti-Russian discrimination in the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,256 ✭✭✭eire4


    I totally get the point your making and have a lot of time for it. Personally however for me I would not ban the rally. I would though have arrested and prosecuted any person at said rally who displays the z symbol and or any other act or symbol which clearly shows their support for the genocide etc that Russia is perpetrating in Ukraine. Free speech does have limits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Absolutely. The lack of nuclear weapons is the root cause of this disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Or nuclear weapons are the problem………….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Also get your point on it. Just think myself that not only is it revolting (akin to a Nazi rally - I mean a real, live, full on Nazi rally, not just some far right types marching) but if this is being announced quite far in advance, there is potential for trouble. May not be ideologically sound as regards perfect freedom of speech, but perhaps better and safer in this case just to tell organisers it is not wanted here, and for the guards to be ready to disperse (or arrest if they won't go) those showing up to hold it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Speculation mounting that Putin will officially declare war on Ukraine soon (presumably May 9th?).

    How this would change things, I'm not sure, other than giving Putin licence to conscript every able-bodied Russian male and pile them into the Donbas. At the very least it might mean some of those cocky Russian Tiktokers would be unwillingly sent to the front and have to witness first hand what they've been supporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    What line of common sense can you offer that supports your view that an invading army that rapes, tortures, murders and displaces over 10 million people, can have their nuclear weapons pointed at all corners of the globe - yet a country such as Ukraine, subjected for months to the most barbaric of crimes against countless children and civilians, and fighting for its very existence, yet you think its a crazy suggestion for them to have a few nukes.

    I would think that if the threat were there, right on their doorstep, that if they don't get the hell out of Ukraine in 24 hours then Ukraine would obliterate Moscow and St.Petersburg, there's a reasonable chance of an end to the war. While Putin is allowed to carry on with his total destruction of Ukraine, with no fear of military reprisals on Russian territory, then there's none.

    If Putin can have nuclear weapons, and threaten to use them, then a country that has just been invaded by this madman is equally entitled to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It would mean extermination of the Russian population. What would untrained poorly equipped troops achieve in Ukraine beyond consuming Ukrainian ammunition. Surely a move will be made on Putin if he tries it, can’t be more risky than heading to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Tom Clonan was on RTE News this evening pointing out that that Kremlin TV nut was effectively talking b*****ks and he doubts they have the capacity to launch even one of their undersea missiles. He also said the idea that they could set off a super tsunami with a single missile is beyond laughable, they would need thousands of them...they've been watching too many James Bond movies. Spoofers and playground school bullies, that's what we're dealing with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Oh I can play this one: Or humans are the problem...



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