I was late watching BCS this week, I was saving it! One of the best episodes yet, definitely up there with the best BB episodes. I found since season 6 started my focus is totally on Nacho as he was the only character left with a moral compass, I'm still not comfortable with what Saul/Kim are up to and now with nacho gone the focus will surely be 90% on them now. A fitting end to the nacho storyline, another nail in the coffin for Mike's character too...I wonder how most would feel about Mike's death now in BB after knowing all the things he has done for Gus...
I have no problem with Howard, he seems genuinely sorry for indulging Chuck in making life hard for Jimmy.
Their treatment of Howard is an interesting one as it only makes me dislike them more. Comparable to how Walt became increasingly reprehensible.
For all the love for Nacho, you'd forget he robbed that dopey chemist fella in the earlier series, I like how shows like this make you feel empathy for scrotes like him.
I was thinking maybe that is why they have Jimmy/Kim attacking Howard so the audience feel conflicted about them. Because Howard seemed to try and make amends with Jimmy a few times. Plus he seemed genuinely worried that Jimmy could drag Kim down.
The only thing they have left to use as an excuse is the Sandpiper stuff.
The IT guy from the pharmaceutical company?
The whole point of showing how scummy Nacho was capable of being was show his capacity for bad at that point and then later for good at least in a relative sense towards his father.
That guy was comedy gold though; "you don't know what a squat cobbler is? Come on guys". Tied in nicely to the Jimmy Kim dynamic with him fabricating the evidence to exonerate that dork.
Pete Peppers does a good breakdown on Nacho in how he developed from not just another drug dealer
Ok, this is definitely the most childish purchase I’ve ever made, but I spotted this in the shop earlier and had to have it
If nothing else, it’s the start of this years Halloween costume
I find him odd and a bit creepy for some reason, he's almost robotic at times, no real personality. I'm glad he's in there as a character but I certainly have no sympathy for him, he was a proper a-hole in the beginning
I always save the new episode as my Sunday night treat, so have just watched the episode. Just have to avoid this thread for the week. Great episode. Don’t know why Nacho didn’t shoot the guy in the head, or even Hector. As he was going out anyway, why not take a few with him ?
by the way, can’t get with people knocking the Jimmy and Kim storyline and wanting it all to be cartel stuff. The show is Better Call Saul, after all, not Better Call Mike, or Gus. I like the Jimmy and Kim storylines, just as I enjoyed the Jimmy/Chuck dynamic in earlier seasons.
Assume he didn't kill anyone else as he needed them not to suspect Gus and in turn protect his father.
I just watched
I didn’t know who you meant by “them” as it was only Jimmy attacking Howard but I just finished Season 5 you mean Jimmy and Kim.
I was not expecting Kim to go that way - she came to her senses about Kevin at Mesa Verde and I thought when she found out about Howard that it would be the start of her seeing that see needed to walk away from Jimmy before he drags her too far down. That she would be the one doing the dragging is a surprise.
No he as trying to unburden himself of the guilty of pushing Chuck out of the firm by confessing. What Kim didn’t like was that in the day of the funeral he dropped the bombshell that Chuck had probably killed himself.
However they showed us Jimmy smiling about it as though this was good news but they never followed up on it.
What doesn’t make sense about the Jimmy/Howard story is that Jimmy accepted way back in session that Howard was pressured by Chuck into rejecting him from HHM. They were at odds over sandpiper but after Chuck’s death it is Jimmy that brings Howard out of the doldrums.
Suddenly Jimmy starts to bully Howard for no reason and displays mental instability in public and then stops? And it is Kim who suddenly pushes it forward?
None of it makes any sense. All the more bizarre by the care they are taking in tying it all together with Breaking Bad.
Yeah, and the implication was that Jimmy had to burden his share for cutting Chuck out of his life.
Kim needs the money from Sandpiper to comfortably set up a pro bono practice while the "moral" motivation is if they let the lawyers wait to get the maximum payout (mostly for themselves), most of the actual clients who will benefit will be dead or too old to actually use the money.
Jimmy had accomplished this already but then decided to back off for not particularly convincing reasons other than a windfall wouldn't be good for their character arcs at that time.
There must have been a dozen ways to bring the 20% from Sandpiper into the story that made sense.
For Jimmy & Kim to target Howard in such a personal way makes zero sense.
it is like the writers needed them as enemies and didn’t put any thought into it.
The drug dealer side of the series is interesting but it is getting way too much screen time in a show that is supposed to be about Better Call Saul. They even give the episode and season cliffhangers to it when the more interesting stuff is going on with Jimmy and Kim. For example, it was obvious Lalo somehow survive the murder squad. Ending season 5 showing him do a cliched cool guy walk away from the bloodbath was not nearly as interesting as what happened between Jimmy and Kim in the hotel room.
I agree that the Jimmy and Kim dynamic is more interesting.
I think some people are missing that Kim is ruthless, her character arc is that she's done being a doormat, probably resents herself and Howard for allowing that dynamic.
The part of Jimmy she's most attracted to is the slipping Jimmy part and if he'd straightened out she'd be long gone.
Yes but it is clear that an early settlement for the elderly is an afterthought to justify what she wants to do.
Scheming to get the Sandpiper case warped is a good plot for Jimmy and Kim but the extreme malice towards Howard makes no sense at all.
at the end of Season 5 Kim has definitely become ruthless but up until then she had her limits and knew right from wrong.
I agree that Slippin’ Jimmy is what she is attracted to the most about him. And her slide into darkness is great to watch.
It is just the out of the blue vindictiveness towards Howard that has me confused.
However Kim is a great, complex character and Seahorn does a fantastic job.
He couldn't shoot anyone, only himself, he was doing it to save his father. Shooting Bolsa would have also killed his dad.
Literally nobody is moaning that the shows all about jimmy/Kim now.
It won't even be as there's still some cartell stuff to get to BB.
Yeah, it's hard to say if her change is too jarring or not. The vindictiveness towards Howard is something to bind them even closer, a shared enemy and all that. Howard offering a job to Jimmy really pushed Jimmy's buttons, it's been clearly established that he cannot work for someone else, remember his reaction to the printer guy who gave him a job and his issues with Main & Co.
The idea is that these are complex conflicted characters and their actions are not always linear and logical.
I don't think her change is all that jarring. She's always tried to be true and honest, but she has also constantly felt the pull of Jimmy's schemes and has indulged in the same type of behaviour when it suits her. She loves the rush of out-thinking the likes of Howard, Rich & Kevin, but she can also play a more subtle game where they never even know she played them. The end of Season 5 where she does the fingerguns to Jimmy shows she's always been on the same path as Jimmy, she's just done a better job of controlling her worst impulses and hiding it.
I get that and characters making foolish or inexplicable choices is fun but they are both going to such extremes that it is too much to accept as not logical.
Or them to decide at the end of the season that they need they need the money and to just scheme to get it without the vindictiveness - which I think is jarring in regards to both of them.
another aspect lacking in credibility is their relationship , they have zero chemistry , zero ! , ugly guys can get beautiful women but there is usually a non physical spark , none here
Pretty poor episode, going nowhere, the whole Gus house thing was just silly, it's like they need to find more and more elaborate things to entertain the viewer.
And lets throw Spooge in - why do they need to do this ? like showing us where he got the tacky statue of liberty blow up doll, do we need an explanation for everything ?
This show peaked last season.
Just saw episode 4. It's building nicely......
Jimmy dressed as Howard was a beautifully absurd comic reveal.
I think this is deliberate though. Jimmy and Kim never seemed a good match. All they had in common was their humble beginnings and work ethic. They have no reason to be together beyond the scraps they keep getting into. It's a hollow relationship, but some relationships are like that though, although they usually burn out.
It's looking like Kim is going to take a swerve away from these shenanigans after her meeting with Ed Begley Jnr, but my prediction is that she is actually more toxic than Jimmy and may end up in cahoots with Lalo because Jimmy will not be enough of a bad boy for her.
plus there was actual chemistry between herself and Lalo
Is that the first episode directed by Rhea Seehorn?
Howard has good taste in music
Such a dull episode. Zero interest in the scheming against Howard stuff. Neither plausible nor entertaining.
I’m sorry I ever bothered with this show, never got going, never stood up on its own two feet, but we’re near the finish line now so I’ll stick with it.
