The difference being - or at least for those not sucking on the secondhand sour teat of US libertarianism - many aspects of socialism have given the world a lot more positives and tangible ones than multiculturalism*. Social support, free healthcare and education as examples are by a long way net positives for societies. Compare Western societies that have them and those who don't.
*I speak of the physical kind which involves large movements of peoples rather than large movements of ideas. The latter has been a large mostly positive component of world societies and progress throughout history, the former has almost always come on the back of mostly negative colonistation and invasion. Too often the two are conflated and we've seen this in this thread..
>>Ah yes, the usual this time it'll be magically different
Of course. They believe it when supporting the socialism, so why wouldn't believe it when supporting multiculturalism?
Ah yes, the usual this time it'll be magically different. That Ireland will be magically different. The realities are that even after little more than two decades of this faith based multicultural social experiment we're already seeing the same patterns emerging along ethnic lines of nations who've been running the same social experiment for many more decades and generations than us.
In Ireland today which groups are more likely to be poorer, less educated, ghettoised, on social welfare; Europeans, Africans or East Asians? That pattern is identical in every single multicultural nation in Europe(and beyond). There are no outliers. One would think some nation somewhere with very different histories and politics over the decades since WW2 ended would have "learned from the mistakes of others", but it seems not. Maybe the fundamental mistake is in thinking that this kind of multicullturalism works? Of course this will be completely ignored by the faithful, like the religious ignore science when it goes against their passionate fantasies.
And the only people looking to bring more (non EU)people here are sections of the government, business looking for cheaper workers and more consumers, the bloated NGO sector and naive flagwavers for this faith who have exoticism fetishes, the need to "stick it to the wacists!" and little else. The only time the Irish electorate were asked about this Irish passports for all nonsense it was roundly rejected. Will the Irish electorate ever get the chance to vote on this top down imposition? I strongly doubt it, certainly not with the current political landscape. They wouldn't like the answer. They certainly didn't like it then and some are trying to reverse that decision without going back to the electorate, because they know they wouldn't get the "correct" vote.
Even leftist leaders in Belgium is seeing issues where they have areas only teaching in Arabic. Will the Irish Government learn? NGO's call the shots here
Mass immigration from 3rd world countries is the sole issue, and the only way to learn is to stop it. Ireland is doing the opposite of learning though, as we're doing the exact same thing with arguably even larger numbers. And to make matters even worse natives are suffering greatly because of it; from the milder things like housing, to the stronger things like being murdered, beaten, or raped. Multiculturalism itself is like a game of human sacrifice, where the natives get harmed/killed in the name of the project, all for the supposed "greater good". We used to sacrifice humans to appease gods, now we do it to appease the project and people like you. At the end of the day it's nothing but a massive betrayal of the people, the people that the nation is meant to care for. We're being stabbed in the back by our political class, yet at the same time we're meant to be outraged when someone insults the likes of Leo publicly.
Definitely lessons to be learned there and it would make total sense for Ireland to learn from the mistakes of others to avoid making the same mistakes as it looks to bring many more people here.
Sweden has radically tightened its immigration policies since taking in more people per capita than any other EU country during the migration crisis of 2015, and now has one of the bloc’s most restrictive policies along with neighboring Denmark.
Well Sweden’s prime minister has said the Scandinavian country has failed to integrate many of the immigrants who have settled there over the past 20 years, creating a nation of “parallel societies … living in different realities
Sweden, the poster child for rapid change of a mostly homogeneous population, who has experienced a huge increase in crime, resulting in new epidemic of clan-based crime and migrant gangs taking over the role of the police in the likes Gothenburg, and a rapid change that can be directly connected to it's immigration policies. A few bits...
In 2021, a study published by Brå (National Council on Crime Prevention), stated Sweden went from being one of the safest countries in Europe to the second most dangerous, In 2000-03 Sweden was ranked 18th out of 22 countries for gun crime. Around 80% of fatal shootings in Sweden had a link to organized crime, a proportion which had risen from 30 to 50% in the early 2000s & less than 20% in the 1990s. Brå also compared the proportion to other countries: around 60% of fatal shootings were linked to organized crime in the Netherlands, while in Finland such events were extremely rare,” reports The Local.
2021 - Former Member of Sweden’s Parliament Staffan Danielsson (the Center Party) questioned Sweden’s notoriously liberal migration policy, which had been fingered as a major cause for the country's massive increase in gang shootings, organized crime, murders, & sexual assaults. In 2012, Danielsson proposed that so-called unaccompanied refugee children should go through age tests as there were several reports of migrants providing false information claiming to be minors. Despite the major backlash proposal, a study commissioned by Sweden’s national forensic medicine agency later found that this was largely true, as a whopping 84% of the “underage migrants” tested in one study were actually adults, according to the BBC......“I was never forgiven for being right about migration policy issues” says Danielsson ............
In 2021, people with immigrant backgrounds vastly overrepresented in crime data In an anticipated Report published by Brå, which was the first of its kind, confirms that crime & delinquency are directly linked to immigration. Brå refused to incl ethnicity in reports claiming that it to be unethical but since the pressure in 2015 the data is now included. Foreign-born 2.5 times as likely to be registered as a criminal suspects as those whose parents were both born in Sweden. 2nd-generation immigrants with a higher likelihood of becoming criminals than 1st-generation. Read on for much more detail
The demographic problem that Sweden has been facing cannot be solved through mass migration, essentially replacing millions of Europeans with migrants from undeveloped countries. Mass migration combined with low birth rates throughout Sweden (and Europe), has fuelled speculation on the future demographics of Europe. Which is negatively affecting some countries more than others. In 40 years Sweden went from one of the most homogenous countries in the western world to one of the least. In 1980, less than 1 % of Sweden's population had roots in a non-European country. In 2021, 33.5% of all residents have foreign background. Foreigners accounted for 99% of the population increase in 2020. In 2021, 40,000 non-Western people received Swedish citizenship. 27,340 Syrians were granted Swedish citizenship. almost the entire population of Gjøvik , a Norwegian city. Somalis (4,305), Iraq (2,141), Iranians (1,245), Eritrea followed Afghanistan: (3,471). Only 163 Norwegians, 198 Danes & 204 Finns became Swedish citizens in 2021.
According to UN projections, Sweden to become a third-world country by 2030. Sweden will be a much poorer country by 2030, much worse than what anyone in the Swedish government indicates. The UN report HDI (Human Development Index) predicts a significant decrease in Swedish prosperity, unlike their Nordic neighbors, who will retain their top positions and even strengthen them globally in the long run. In 2010 Sweden had the 15th place in the HDI rankings but according to UN forecasts, Sweden will be #25 in 2015, and in 2030 on the 45th place.
A 2021 study by a Finnish academic warns the people of Sweden that it faces a demographic and cultural transformation and will become a minority in its own country in less than 50 years if it does not implement a radical overhaul of its immigration system. "Swedes will compose less than half of the population by 2065 if the country’s current levels of immigration remain unchanged in the next half decade. if current immigration policies endure, Sweden will see seismic shifts in its demographics, culture, and society.
How does Ireland (& Europe) ensure that the growing challenges of African & ME immigrant clans we see in Sweden are prevented from importing their criminal structures into Ireland. We have a multicultural politic that has been a catastrophic failure. Countries failing to integrate waves of nonnationals from incompatible cultures and societies, rendering the well-polished integration excuse parroted throughout Europe, as rode off. Ireland cannot afford to absorb a wave comparable to the likes of Sweden. The negative impact of mass migration on host communities and how it's enforced... promotes parallel societies. Clan-based societies put their community first. Why should Ireland not put itself first........because we are a great bunch of lads who support the current thing.
Rwanda is a beautiful country, beautiful people, all that, like all Africa, and DaCor can vouch for this. So indeed what's the problem?
Whatever is the matter? Rwanda is a safe country, surely those fleeing through several safe countries will be delighted to be no longer in fear of their lives, plus just think of the benefits of diversity Rwanda will gain! Doctors and engineers and food,food,Food!
In other news, the UK's Rwanda proposal sees its first (of many) legal challenge.
Pidgeon chess.
Nope
In the very post I quoted.
Where did I refer to a poster as such? By all means, feel free to quote, link to or screenshot such a post
In the above post I made a generalisation as there have been a number of folks attempting to paint anti-immigration positions as pro-environmental positions. I've pointed how the fallacy of this argument and the number of holes which it contains not least of which is the fact that none of the posters holding to that argument would support even the most basic green policies and only maintain such a stance in this thread where they think its some kind of "gotcha" when it is very transparent as to what they are actually doing, hilariously so in fact
What I don't understand is why don't you extend the same courtesy to people that don't want diversity and immigration, why do you call them racists and xenophobes and why don't you see it as attacking the poster.
I'm sorry, are you surprised that I post things that support my viewpoint and not yours?
Should I expect to see you posting material aligned against your viewpoint if that's the case?
I am happy about the increased diversity on our island and will continue to celebrate and shout about it at every chance I get. Every story thats published about it, I'll share here, every stat or report I'll also share.
Avoiding any of the negative stats or realities on the ground like the very plague of course, while smugly repeating the mantra of diveristy is our strength, if it's of the right sort and in European nations alone and giving no new reasons for why beyond those old saws and fetishes among some of charity, exoticism and the Irish were migrants once.
I don't think modular homes are a runner. DCC tried to go down the modular homes route several years ago, even had a big exhibition down beside the North Strand fire station, however when it went to tender, there was little or no interest. The quality of them was fairly high, from what I remember.
We don't do modular homes here, and the international firms are too busy building then in mainland Europe.
I'm in 2 minds about this one.
On one hand being more permanent homes would be a smarter choice long-term, however its likely they would take too long so perhaps modular homes are a smarter choice right now. They'd want to be very well insulated modular units though.
I guess you could go with modular now, and replace them in decades to come with more permanent homes. The image seems to suggest portakabin type structures but I wonder if that is what is actually planned
Looks like this situation is going to be sorted pretty soon, good to see they are able to work through the issues to get these folks here ASAP
RTE news : Refugees from Moldova here as soon as possible - Dept
I had a similar Damascene conversion back in 2002 after being exposed to Southern Africa with work
Morso when you don't bother to follow a thread properly. Carry on
It reminds me of Conan O'Brien going to a luxury resort in Haiti and taking a photo, as a gotcha aimed at Trump for daring to say that Haiti was a shithole. The safe places in these nations, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the whole, yet a fraction they'll exploit in the name of one-upmanship. It's honestly beyond disgusting how dishonestly these types play political football.
I meet a man last summer, who was a literal political prisoner, who was held by terrorists in an African country. He was an aid worker who went over there with liberal utopian views of the world, and even before he was kidnapped, his views were shattered. He went from being like many pros on this sub, to being a massive anti purely by seeing the savagery of the Middle East & Africa. What he seen was the real conditions and behavior, because he wasn't staying in luxury resorts, he was on the ground seeing exactly how they lived. I was going to link articles about him in the name of veracity, but I wouldn't want the mob to go after him.
Don't need you to believe anything but I was there several times, as well as to other countries in Africa.
Been to the US, Canada, loads of European countries and Brazil too.
Haven't made it to anywhere in Asia yet but its on my to-do list
Religious devotion will blind people from reality
WOKEness is a religion
Highest rate of HIV between 15 and 49 year olds in the world.
6th worst murder rate in the world with rape almost a pastime.
great, sure invite them all.
RAPE capital of the world and 7x the average murder rate, 6th highest in the world for a tiny country which is 43% the size of Ireland aren’t anywhere near “problems”. They are horrific stats. 90% of prisoners are rapists ffs.
I don’t believe you were ever there. I reckon you picked it as it’s the most dangerous country and it’d get a reaction.
We can’t afford it, financially, logistically, socially or anyway…. It’s fûcking up the wellbeing of the country, it’s citizens, an astronomical strain on us in every way. Every day and getting worse. We need to get back control of our borders or we’ll be seeing a couple of hundred thousand per decade arriving. Be great in 25 years when some of us are due to retire, country hasn’t a pot to pîss in, not a hospital bed in sight…. Roads clogged to fûck, no cash to enable public transport improvements to cope… housing literally everywhere, welcome to the concrete jungle state… already see them building gangbusters in sleepy backwaters like Malahide, Portmarnock, Sutton…as well as more central locations..
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