It’s very disappointing that we place absolutely no weight on the effort Ireland is making the UK refugees. I am sure that the menfolk back in UK have been 100% relieved of the burden of having to worry about the safety of their wives , children, etc. this allows the menfolk and some womenfolk to better concentrate on the ‘ job at hand’. This is something that we can do and hopefully do more of it if needed
Do Russia ave the equivalent of April 1st?
Putin waits till the UN secretary general Guterres is in Kyiv, sitting down for talks with Zelenskyy then of course orders airstrikes targeting Kyiv. You couldn't make it up, but it's also not surprising at this point.
They've already stated that they won't hold back on strikes if Western heads of government visited.
An awful scenario of a representative of UK/US on Ukrainian soil being killed in the territory might happen. This war has a really nasty potential of blowing up :(
I wonder if they'll include a few tomahawks in that aid package?
Apparently that is long term funding, maybe 'till the end of the year.
Is there something else going on I wonder?
The "West" seems quite content now to ratchet up Putin to breaking point.
Have assurances been given that the the rabid dog will be put down if he goes for the jugular ???
Is anyone actually surprised he attacked Kiev today ,
It's nothing more than an attempt to keep other's away ,he wouldn't have the balls to do it if he knew Moscow gets hit in return
I'm hoping with the billions in milliary aid, if Congress passes it, will basically allow Ukraine to purchase pretty much anything from US and possibly NATO allies (with possibly aircraft restrictions).
It's the start of Ukraine moving from old Soviet weaponry to NATO ones. I think Ukraine have shown themselves to be extremely potent fighters and an strong and key ally to Europe and the west etc..
There was probably reluctance to give them heavy or sensitive equipment for fear of them loosing the war etc...
I'd love if they were able to buy some Patriot systems to protect Odessa, Lviv and Kyiv from the cruise missile attacks. Seeing as how Russia can't get close to them cities with artillery, cruise missiles and aircraft are their only way to attack them.
Yes its 1 апреля
You'd laugh if it wasn't so serious
Meets the UN guy and all smiles and we're not doing anything, we're liberating Ukrainians, they love us...
Then soon as the guy gets to Kyiv he starts bombing it
Thank you for confirming his lack of height
The only thing against that Red is nukes are the singlular reason that NATO hasn't gone into Ukraine and wiped the floor with them. Against NATO the Russian military would face an unstoppable force. If they didn't drive them out of Ukraine including Crimea within a month I'd be gobsmacked. So if any weapon systems are going to get the cash, attention and maintenance it'll be the nukes I'd imagine.
Like the last Soviet Union, it was birthed in blood, savagery and massacre in the Ukraine.
While I'm still of the opinion that the only good English soldier is a .... ... and that bigger is better when putting things in the bathroom wall of a Tory conference hotel.
Without the aid and weaponry given before the immediate start and first week of the war. The Ukraine would probably have cracked already
The fruitcakes of Russia-1, including host Olga Skabeeva, are off on their fantasies about nuclear war and WW3 again this evening. I honestly think this might be a good sign though - if this is all they have, then they have nothing. It's as if they're admitting the war in the south and east is lost but can't bring themselves to say the words out loud.
Bonkers. Is that fruit loop a member of the United Russia party?
Javelins have a 93% hit rate. We have 2,000 AT weapons. If we gave even half that is potentially 930 less russian vehicles.
weapons like that limit how many people are made refugees. It solves the root problem instead of treating the symptoms.
The one saying we start with a clean slate lmao - at least the one guy has some modicum of common sense that no one survives
They really are full of themselves - as soon as one missile is detected heading towards Europe there will be a thousand heading towards them - actually strike that, they will probably allow one to hit then say stop it, you're being naughty
The only worry about Bidens 33BN AID package is rumblings from some Democrats that they should add the previously defeated Covid-19 bill as amendment which will kill bipartisan support for the bill.
US politics can be pretty cynical, add an unpopular bill as an amendment and when the opposition vote against (both sides play this game) loudly complain that the opposition are pro Russian / anti Ukraine.
I'm hoping that such naked cynicism won't blight the passage of the aid package, like a lot of posters have mentioned it really raises the pressure on Putin and his failing invasion / economy
@Wibbs - So if any weapon systems are going to get the cash, attention and maintenance it'll be the nukes I'd imagine.
And the other thing is, Wibbs, that they would only have needed to have maintained a couple of dozen at most out of the many thousands they supposedly have. The damage that just a handful of them can do is frightening.
I've no doubt though with all the sabre rattling he's doing that the submarine based missiles would be the biggest threat... in the event of escalation that is. I think the talk of him accepting some kind of reduced "victory" by agreement, prior to his May parade, is a bit wishful thinking. I see him as being too heavily invested in this war now, too many losses, and I don't believe he's the sort to want to "save face". He absolutely hates the West, but there are rumours circulating on some web pages I've read today, from ex- Russian government sources, that there is some small possibility of a coup should he continue to accumulate these really heavy losses to both the Russian army and economy.
We await the next turn of events.
There seems to be a huge amount of deflection going on too. They've seemingly stopped discussing the "special operation" and the Donbass (how convenient), now it's all about nuking London and New York.
I would say it’s more about realising Putin won’t stop if they win in Ukraine. Not to mention how it may embolden China.
A win in Ukraine for Putin could be the precursor to a new era and the gradual crumbling of the West.
Nip it in the bud so to speak.
I agree, our neutrality is so foney anyway we may as well finally make use of our defense budget.
Part of the reluctance was that Ukrainian soldiers were not trained to use some of these weapons. Hence the desire for some of the old Russian gear held by former Soviet/East European states
However there has been a lot of training going on, and the Ukrainians are acquiring the skills required to operate some of this gear
If it's a known fact that Russia will lob missiles at Kyiv even if important dignitaries are visiting, and they still visit, I imagine every contingency is taken to ensure that they don't get hurt. Could it still happen? I guess so, but the risk assessment must have been made that it's such a small risk that they're willing to go anyway :shrug: .
The district they struck is relatively close to the government area where Guterres would have been. It wasn't the outskirts of Kyiv by any means.
I hope not. That would be cultural appropriation.
This thread has been fascinating and very informative to follow.
However, one thing that I have come to realise as I read the reports of new weapons being supplied, is that we humans have imagined, designed, and built a vast array of ingenious devices and equipment, whose sole purpose is to kill, and maim, other humans.
That's kind of sad.
Pretty much since the dawn of humanity - nothings changed much in the past 300,000 years
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