Many people did not think they were actually going to invade and that it was posturing - and not all of them were as stupid as you suggest, know all (after the event)
Fire in Moscow https://twitter.com/UKRWarSitRep/status/1519580688361611264?s=20&t=O3BbIibruWvY4o6Ugc8WMA
I don't have the answer - except maybe caution - like picking a fight with a guy with a gun , I'd be careful - do you have the answer ?
The will only take people with military experience
As the saying goes- If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.
Or in this case, those who want to continue to do dirty deals with Russia shouldn't expect others to keep them company.
Most of the votes against this motion came from the neofascist AfD and the far left "Die Linke" party. Strange bedfellows, given the amount of vitriol they regularly fire at each other, but not surprising. Both also have their power bases in Eastern Germany. Looks like some people are even more desperate for their former Comrades than Scholz is!
So there's over 20k Russians dead. I know we are all wary of the numbers but as posted before, they seem like it is a quite feasable number and not far off.
Then you have the wounded. General estimates from previous modern wars is about 1:5 death to wounded ratio.
Even if the Russian death number is actually 10k, then if you were to take that plus around 40-50k, that is a quarter of the "Special Operation" troops out of action.
Nothing new.
When did the rules for the EU min
ions ever apply to Germany.
and thats a horrible analogy, and not the answer.
It's hard not to see UK's response coming from a "what Tories think is popular among their base" viewpoint.
Foreigners, even if they're not brown, coming here? Not popular.
War! Sticking it to the bally Russkis? More of this please!
Completely ignoring the fact that said Tories are awash with Russian money.
Is this the same guy? 😮
The far left and the far right have a habit of indirectly or directly supporting Putin, so I'm not the slightest bit surprised
I heard 2 of the votes against were from Michael Wallach and Clara Dalie.
Which is a welcome result; but then you read some of the text of the petition and it really just says similar things to what Scholz has been saying all along. The caveat being I'm not a German speaker and this is all Google translated:
In coordination with other NATO partners, Germany enables the delivery of heavy weapons. In particular, weapons of Soviet or Russian design are to be delivered to the Ukraine because they can be used immediately. Germany replaces or refunds these weapons ("ring exchange").
In addition to the comprehensive economic isolation and decoupling of Russia from the international markets, the most important and effective means of stopping the Russian advance is the intensification and acceleration of the delivery of effective, including heavy, weapons and complex systems by Germany in close coordination with our partners in NATO, EU and the world.
I don't really see a whole lot here that would necessitate Scholz actually removing his finger from his behind and letting Ukraine purchase whatever it wants from German companies; let alone for Germany to actually supply heavy weapons directly.
Surprise, surprise turns out he's a total piece of ****.
More on the ongoing - not paying in rubles / paying in Euros Germany Gazprom double dealing
"German utility Uniper SE said it can keep buying Russian gas by making payments in euros to Gazprombank JSC which it argued wouldn’t violate European sanctions.
Uniper, one of Europe’s biggest buyers of the fuel from Russia, said it’s in talks with supplier Gazprom PJSC, and is in “very close contact” with the German government after Moscow halted supplies to Poland and Bulgaria for failure to comply with new rules calling for payments in rubles. “We consider the amendment of the payment process complies with the sanctions law and so the payments are possible,” Uniper’s Chief Financial Officer Tiina Tuomela said on a call with analysts."
However
The Commission sent an advisory document to EU countries last week, which said Russia's proposed payment system could breach EU sanctions - even if EU buyers send euros to Gazprombank. That is because under Russia's decree the EU buyer's contractual obligation would not be considered complete until the euros are converted into roubles, the Commission said.
That would put the effective completion of the purchase into the hands of the Russian authorities and involve Russia's central bank, which is subject to EU sanctions.
"As the conversion process may take an undefined amount of time, during which time the foreign currency is entirely in the hands of the Russian authorities including the central bank, it may even be considered as a loan granted by EU companies," the Commission said.
As the conversion process may take an undefined amount of time, during which time the foreign currency is entirely in the hands of the Russian authorities including the central bank, it may even be considered as a loan granted by EU companies," the Commission said.
Gazprombank is not subject to EU sanctions."
Apparently the matter is under under review by the European Commission. Ho hum.
I think the Issue is your claiming they are making progress ,but despite hundreds of thousands of men , thousands of vehicles , missles , bombs they have made little or no real progress inside ukraine , they don't have Infinite number of men vehicles or aircraft available ,
Where ukraine are getting stronger and better supplies on a near daily basis,they also have 30 + Allies firmly supporting them Russia doesn't , Russia has lost something like 60,000 men out of the 100,000 + they initially invaded with and lost thousands of vehicles and aircraft ,at least 20,000 killed and about 40,000 other causalities, no modern military no can sustain such Loses and we're only 2 months in . And that's before we talk about economics
Seems to follow the normal decision-making process over there
Germany: We aren't going to do it
Germany: It might cause WW3
Germany: Okay we'll do it
Well that is always the fallback option if you can't get Germany to agree to do something -> Just hint to them that they might get another oul' world war out of it if they do it.
The love the oul world wars so they do
Brilliant news, hope the rest follow suit. Canada has also formally recognised what Russia is doing in Ukraine as genocide
And have used 70% of their long term missiles.
I was hoping every party concerned would do that.
I think they are trying to clamp down on all the Russian money specifically now with sanctions, and new legislation etc.
Watched this a few days ago on the subject:
It is quite hard for them as they've seemingly set out UKs stall that money/investment flowing into the UK [and wetting the beaks of the groups who traditionally support and donate to the Tories] is a good. Be it from the 2 big autocratic states working to destroy the West (China/Russia), oil sheikhs, various despots, druglords etc. etc. it doesn't matter, it all has no colour in the end, don't ask pointed questions about where it comes from and what it might be buying (and spoil things), just grab it.
A sort of Del Boy philosophy perhaps? ("Where it all comes from is a mystery, it's like the changing of the seasons and the tides of the sea!")
It's not actually , been a Putin critic/sceptic way before this year , I just don't know the best way to defeat/stop him and his horrific actions and policy, without further massive casualities and destruction . War is horrific
Except that you are holding a gun also. he is telling you he will shoot you with his colt 45 if you intervene, while you stand there holding your HK in one hand, with a P90 slung on your chest.
@correct horse battery staple - Did you just wake up and realise there are several shithole countries with nuclear weapons?
But only one who is lunatic enough to actually use them.
@correct horse battery staple - What is your solution? that the world just bends over and gives in to terrorism and nuclear blackmail?
Shows how observant you are in this thread. I've been advocating that Nato should intervene in Ukraine throughout the thread. The nuclear risk is there whether we go in or not.
Anyway what's your problem? You're now trying to distort and twist the narrative completely, when I simply challenged you on your comment that the risk of nuclear action "doesn't cause fear".
You need to grow up and stop attacking people for stating facts, when you're spouting a load of nonsense in saying that nuclear threats "doesn't cause fear".
Numerous polls and surveys confirm that the majority of people fear nuclear war. Which makes your comment bullshit.
I doubt even coffins going back makes a difference anymore, 20k dead coming back in 2 months and no one is blinking. These are people who have access to outside information. Putin seems to have the entire country captured and a significant number of Russians seem to be firmly behind him.
I get the feeling that the Ukrainians are waiting out the Russians until their supply issues really hit home. When they aren't able to replace cruise missiles, aircraft and artillery then move in. Would not be surprised that the ukrainians are giving up ground so that the russians move into positions that have been zeroed in with artillery and wearing them down.
I hope so at least.
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