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And again, I ask, what has any of that got to do with my support for the Green party and their attempts to push through a ban on burning turf. All you have done is shown me that there are some backbenchers within FG who oppose it, but the bigger issue is that opposition parties like SF completely oppose it. All you are doing is showing me that I should continue to support the Greens and give later preferences to the government parties.
Ok, it's being converted to an offshore wind hub. Whoopsy-do, absolutely nothing to counter my original point that we are already moving away from coal.
You're a Green voter again. I see. I just like to expose Fine Gael duplicity. It's absolutely everywhere...if you look.
You're more than welcome. Everyone makes mistakes.
The same political viewpoint that bigs up our influence as a neutral peacekeeper and says we should stay out of NATO, bigs down our influence when it comes to climate change. Curious.
I have been a Green voter for nearly a decade.
Let’s stick to the one topic, turf
So you shared an article which proves that FF had plans since 2019 to introduce a ban which would end turf
In the article it also says FG want a similar ban but over a time schedule which is yet to be agreed
Now the government changes in 2020 and the Greens came onboard who also want to ban turf
Just so I correct here, you are trying to prove all the government parties want to ban turf yet they have to agree when and how?
To me the turf banning is as much about lost tax revenue as it is green policy particularly in ffs case back in 2019. Was there not a mention of it even further back than that not around recession time when they stamped out nixer culture.
Why would we ban fossil fuel production and sale here and yet still be importing briquettes and the like?
What good does that do anyone in Ireland?
Why would you need to retrofit to gas?
The Moneypoint gap in production capacity is meant to be filled by new gas fired plants.
Yet here we are with our our own Corrib field due for depletion around the same date, an unsecure supply coming via a non E.U. country whose own supplies of natural gas are nearing completion where they are now importing the majority of their own needs from others which includes LNG, and we have the greens stonewalling Barryroe and attempting to ban LNG.
Whoopsy-do indeed.
If we are getting shut of solid fuel and oil we’ll need to retrofit some form of acceptable replacement going forward, be it gas or something more modern.
Which party was it that attempted the recent "proposal" on banning turf and are now "proposing" an inane unenforceable law attempting to cover their embarrassment at having had their arses kicked ?
Ahem.
Sorry something got caught in my throat.
That is one of the points on which myself and the Greens differ, around natural gas. I accept the reality that we should stop burning the more polluting fuels like turf and coal, but use natural gas, particularly Barryroe on an interim basis which we ramp up wind, solar and hydro.
Alternatives available like HVO….no need to throw out the toys with the Bath water
Can you point to anywhere that us being either in or out of NATO has made the slightest bit of difference other than it not costing us anything financially from not being a member, unlike the present green-washing exercise ?
Must have been the humble pie you were swallowing.
Then you are very much at odds with the Irish green party and with yourself when it comes to the use of fossil fuels.
Hydro is not going to add anything as there is no capacity in Ireland to make any difference and wind and solar have shown how unreliable they both are. In reality the Irish green party position on Barryroe, natural gas and exploration (other than the bizarre granting of licenses for that environmentally friendly gold and silver mining), all of which are at the very heart of Irish green policy, are nothing other than ill thought out reckless ideology.
If you accept that section you must accept Ryan saying it was a ban and it was going ahead.
It wasn`t that. For whatever reason it always happens when I see people attempting to switch horse mid-stream.
Nonsense. We have huge capacity in offshore wind, and if the rural NIMBYs could be sidelined in onshore wind as well.
Yes, I differ to the Greens in some respects, but that is a casualty of an independent mind.
Even if that were true, but it isn't, there is nothing worse that watching someone back themselves into a corner because of their unwillingness to admit they were wrong.
I once proposed a tax on mobile phone texts many years ago, completely unaware of the coming developments in messaging apps, I was wrong, I admit it. I also voted Fianna Fail a long time ago, that was wrong too. The sign of a limited mind is an unchanging one.
Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil as a current replacement for all fossil fuels is even dafter than your belief that tidal energy would do the same.
Be warned, this has been discussed to death on the Greens thread. Unless the answer is the government building their own LNG plant in Kerry so they can go out and buy/sell LNG on the market you won't get much sense.
Pointing out that the Kerry LNG is not owned by the government doesn't make any difference, seemingly we need to discount the gas link to the UK, also the grid connection to the UK. Plus the grid connection that is proposed to France doesn't make any difference(not that the poster was aware this even was planned)
LNG all the way
There is nothing worse imo than watching someone dithering and jumping from corner to corner.
You are now a green supporter that does not even agree with Irish green party policy legislation and proposed legislation on exploration, LNG or Barryroe. All of which are at the very center of their ideology.
Sounds to me as if you need to actually find a party whose policies you can agree with.
Not just now a Green supporter, have voted for them in every election for the last decade.
I will never find a party whose policies I can agree with as they all get things wrong, and all have populist elements. Some are better than others, and that is where my vote goes.
O Dear, not a happy FG camper
Skulduggery no less, will be curious the reactions, I seem to recall FFG had a field day when a Certain TD left a certain other party recently,
