If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
You are fighting with shadows. The RUSSIANS believe their aggression is justified. I don’t. Get it?
I said Russia is the aggressor. NATO is also to blame.
Now jump up and down again and repeat yourself in pointless indignation.
How is NATO to blame?
If you don't want people to think you believe the Russian propaganda then maybe try stop repeating the Russian propaganda. Or state that you believe it to be lies when making the comments.
For example, if you don't think that NATO is poking the Russian bear with a stick then don't say it, or say that is what Russia believes but you don't.
Your posts so far just seem to be justifying Putins actions as being valid reasons for him to invade Ukraine.
You are seeing an agenda that isn’t there.
For the 5th time - Russia is the aggressor.
I am also saying that FROM A RUSSIAN PERSPECTIVE, NATO expansion eastwards is a threat.
Thats not propaganda, so no need to get all sweaty. That’s just looking at the situation from another point of view.
My concern is that NATO will now continue to accept members countries that border Russia - such as Finland and Ukraine.
That makes Putin in an even stronger position internally as it looks like his predictions of existential threats are coming true.
This makes a nuclear escalation more likely.
Dictators need an outside force to blame, to keep its own people under control. Any dissenting voices within Russia are sent to prison, only one view is allowed in Russia, anything negative about the war and their going to prison. Putin is using Nato as a type of boogeyman, so he has an excuse to tell his own people, so that he can take more resources and land from neighbouring countries. Cant have a democratic country like Ukraine with trillions in oil & gas resouces, doing better than Russia, or the russian people would get suspicious and want change in Russia, something a dictator like Putin dosnt want.
A very simplistic view. Russia supports Putin. As the Germans supported Hitler.
Its not just propaganda.
Surely the russian people are fed propaganda through the russian news station etc. that allows Putin shape whatever reality he wants. I think alot of russians will wake up when they realise their sons are dead
Not fighting with any shadows. Just pointing out your still spouting classic false Russian propaganda in regards to NATO.
What age are you?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/russians-embrace-putin-s-ukraine-war-as-kremlin-muzzles-dissent
What will really wake up Russians (and not just those who suffer family deaths) will be the realisation that they have been lied to again and again and again on a truly industrial scale. I hope that Western democracies can find ways around or through Russia's wall which is keeping out the truth.
There is a misconception here that if only Russians knew the truth then they would stop Putin. The fact is Putin is hugely popular . Russian has never embraced democracy. They want a ‘strong man’ to lead them.
Putin is popular in large part because he delivered order and a measure of prosperity after the chaos of the Yeltsin years. He is popular because people have had confidence in him. If he is shown to be a monumental liar, that popularity might well vanish. Its got more to do with betrayal and mistrust rather than democracy. The next guy might bell be not much better, but at least some lessons might be learned at the top.
However how do you get through to Russians and their leaders that they not threatened with invasion by NATO, unless they start invading others themselves?
You won’t ‘get through to them’ because they simply don’t see things the way you do. No amount of persuasion will make a jot of difference.
instead, we need to find agreement with them. This is not a zero sum game.
By that logic, Russia's advancement westwards is a threat to Russia...
As I've said numerous times.... Putin's on a land grab, using any excuse... If NATO wasn't there, this would have happened a decade ago
Lavrov now warning of potential nuclear escalation. Meanwhile the Ukrainian Minister Kuleba scoffing that this is scaremongering because Russia are scared of defeat.
UK minister backs Ukraine's right to attack inside Russia border.
There is a need for strong leadership here - someone needs to control the messaging - I don't see Biden doing this. Ukraine is continuously upping the ante - this is dangerous and needs to stop for all our sakes.
The UK is also playing a dangerous game - sabre rattling to play to a domestic Tory audience (distracting from Covid Partygate!)
Ukraine upping the ante. They're fighting a war of national survival. If Russia want to throw a sook because war infrastructure inside their border is getting targetted let them.
Get lost with your talk of sabre rattling. Russia invaded a sovereign country and has butchered tens of thousands of non combatants, the war is underway. At the risk of offending @Pussyhands delicate sensibilities, the above post is more bot than a T-1000 at a convention.
Give over the 'pro-peace' angle. You're pro-Putin, end of.
What complete nonsense. Russia is threatening the use of nuclear weapons and somehow Ukraine is to blame????
Grow up - this is more complex than goodies v baddies. Stop flinging totally unfounded allegations about my agenda. I am no fan of Putin.
My point is about a NATO/EU strategy and controlling the narrative. We need to force Russia to the table without stumbling into WW3.
The lessons learned from WW1 is that a complex set of alliances with differing agendas and poor communications can cause a spark to become a flame.
Where did you get that from? I said that Ukraine are upping the ante - i.e. they want NATO direct intervention = World War. Now Russia are threatening Nuclear escalation.
How would you solve this issue?
The victim desperately seeks help while the aggressive attacker threatens to up the ante, and you are blaming the victim and those that come to help them. Desperate stuff.
The sooner you reconcile yourself with the fact you're going to bat for fascism the better. I don't know what happened in life that has brought you here, but here you are.
not with the "leave Russia alone" approach you're insinuating
Incredibly immature response to my suggestion that the west needs a coordinated approach.
Would Hitler have used nuclear weapons if he had managed to develop them by 1945? Undoubtedly - he was desperately trying to develop a 'super weapon' to save his skin.
Would Putin? We don't know but he is certainly of a similar ilk and the pressure is building on him. His foreign minister is suggesting he will.
So, what do we do in the face of this threat?
Ignoring it won't make it go away.
I think our current lack of a coordinated strategy is worrying. The only way this will be resolved is by a Putin defeat (highly unlikely given he has the largest land army in the world) or a peace agreement where he wins some territory (eg Donnbas). The third option is that NATO gets involved and we end up directly at war with Russia.
I hope that is avoided because we don't know where it could lead. Therefore, we should try to contain this war and not allow it to spread.
Is your name Neville Chamberlain?
Finnish Ambassador telling some truths
Two choices up military spending and apply to join nato .
Increase military spending to the point we don't need to join nato as we will have the ability to defend against foreign aggression either through physical or cyber crimes .
But military spending will have to increase multiple times over ,
How does anyone expect to defend our 100,000 + Ukrainian moving here after fleeing Russian bombs
Difference now is nuclear capability.
What complicated set of alliances?
I don't understand the constant references to WW3. Russia has no one that is going to go to war alongside them against the West. There may be nuclear war but I feel that would deserve its own moniker...
NATO is an alliance. Russia and China are allied.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/russia-and-china-unveil-a-pact-against-america-and-the-west
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