So it looks like there's actually no limit being placed on the numbers of Ukrainians coming.
I can see something like this, and the ensuing shortages of housing which would be made worse, resulting in a massive shift to home building by the govt. Possibly even formation of some agency to manage it and carry out the construction.
RTE news : 'No cap on refugees despite challenges' - minister
Same, I only pop in the odd time now and see the same questions, answers and arguments. Some of the folks who happen upon the thread and rehash the same old, same old, don't like it when you point out that its all been said before though.
On the plus side, I do love seeing Ireland becoming more multicultural :)
The more the merrier
This thread is just going round and round in circles.
Middle class white liberals showing off their oh so right on credentials - to whom, themselves, or their wider equally warped circle? - then we get the last two comments ripping them apart with sensible arguments which has become the norm, but we just go on and on and on.
I can only assume if you are a lover of multiculturalism, though it seems an odd concept, as many comments here have re-iterated time and time again, it has failed miserably elsewhere.
I pop in here every week or so, and it just seems the same old same old. I see the thread has been running for 2 years almost.
Is it just me, or do others feel the same? Genuine question.
Someone will be along soon talking about Bridie who wears a headscarf to bingo, no doubt.
Giving rights generally does come at the expense of others. That's always been the case, it's just downplayed by State and the media. Usually it's one group being elevated over others.. which is a mockery of equality, and individualism. Once a group becomes protected, and/or gains benefits not available or not available to the same extent as that chosen group, inequalities occur, and we're likely to see bitterness manifest leading to racism.
Of course, nobody will acknowledge that such preferential treatment of a group is a cause of racism. Rather it is entirely the fault of the "racists", but ultimately those who advocate for protected status or more benefits for groups (not individuals) are encouraging divisions in society.
Which is why it's so dangerous to extend such special rights to Muslims, or any ethnic group, because it marks them out as being different from the general population. It reinforces the differences, and ensures that both Muslims and natives will be constantly aware that they are not one people.. not united and sharing the same problems, but rather two different groups struggling with limited resources, which naturally, encourages either group to be seen as an enemy.
It's one of the main reasons why I do support the banning of the Burka or whatever headdress involved. It reinforces the impression that they are not part of western society. No doubt someone will say that western society should adapt to the point where this is accepted, but the simple truth is that it's not practical or realistic. It's not going to happen. So, what's to be done then? Ahh ignore the issue and apply some wishful thinking?
Which is why multiculturalism is doomed to failure.
White guilt in all its glory. This philosophy has brought positives in dialling back racism and the nastier forms of nationalism, but has brought negatives with it. Among them a lingering self hate for White Europeans and in White Europeans themselves and a weird exotic fetish for anything that isn't White and European and how that will improve the "breed". Liberal progressives who want to import illiberal very conservative elements for the cause, illiberal very conservative elements their parents and grandparents tried to remove from European society. You couldn't make it up.
Any more rights will be at the expense of others, usually the most vulnerable of them, the women and children. Since it's that time of the year, no one questions the barbaric full daylong fasting that includes water and any oral medicine which by either force or peer pressure is imposed on everyone.
Pointless and meaningless whataboutery. They also created the modern world and industrial revolution and they are the reason we are so advanced that we can converse using these devices, but still, nothing to do with the topic.
Nah, they just tried to conquer the known world, were involved in two world wars, and would do the same again in the morning at the first opportunity 🙄
Oh, I don't think a civil war would result in that.. but increased rights and liberties for all Muslims? yeah, I could see that.
I don't have kids (that I know of, anyway). Being without children shouldn't matter. Although, perhaps lacking in basic common sense should.
I don't think the French or UK economies planted any bombs, beheaded anyone or groomed any young girls.
The same as is happening in the UK is happening in France - immigration and multiculturalism are being used as scapegoats for the disastrous handling of their economies.
The idea of secularism in France was supposed to mean there was no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, but instead of maintaining French culture and behavioural norms, it’s only in recent years they decided to go all in on a particular religion. The idea from the beginning was nonsense in any case -
The French philosopher and Universal Declaration of Human Rights co-drafter Jacques Maritain, a devout Catholic convert and a critic of French laïcité, noted the distinction between the models found in France and in the mid-twentieth century United States. He considered the US model of that time to be more amicable because it had both "sharp distinction and actual cooperation" between church and state, what he called "a historical treasure" and admonished the United States, "Please to God that you keep it carefully, and do not let your concept of separation veer round to the European one."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_France
The fact that a Presidential debate in France is even talking about civil war shows how far things have got out of hand.
The fact that a Pakistani boxer has to tell Sadiq Kahn to get his act together to make London safer again shows how things have got out of hand.
All of these are signs of a lower quality of life. And then some BS artist politician or economist tells you it's good for GDP. Laughable if it wasn't so deadly serious.
No, probably we won't be seeing the government overthrown and the new Islamic Republic of Franchistan being established anytime soon, but things are getting worse.
Well since current and former European leaders like Macron, Rutte, Merkel, Lofven, Juncker, May etc don't have kids, it's probably more difficult for them to think of the next generation in real terms.
They’re both trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator in French society, and voters are kinda stuck trying to decide which candidate is the lesser of two evils -
https://amp.france24.com/en/france/20220418-in-france-s-unhappy-democracy-voting-for-lesser-evil-is-a-bitter-pill-to-swallow
The political slogan “liberty, equality, fraternity” is being shown up for the meaningless farce it always was since it’s inception -
The term "Terror" being used to describe the period was introduced by the Thermidorian Reaction who took power after the fall of Maximilien Robespierre in July 1794, to discredit Robespierre and justify their actions. Today there is consensus amongst historians that the exceptional revolutionary measures continued after the death of Robespierre, and this subsequent period is now called the "White Terror". By then, 16,594 official death sentences had been dispensed throughout France since June 1793, of which 2,639 were in Paris alone; and an additional 10,000 died in prison, without trial, or under both of these circumstances.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
I know it's hyperbole from Macron. I'm not sure what Le Pen's answer was, but i'd hope it was something along the lines of "isn't it a great pity you have let France go this far".
But in France, as was previously seen in Spain (ETA) and Ireland (IRA), a small group can cause big trouble for a bigger power.
It's an exaggeration in any case. The Muslim population isn't big enough to pose that much of a genuine threat. The danger is more from long-term terrorism, and violent protests as a result of cracking down on them.
All the same, the Muslim population continues to grow quickly, so they'd be better off cracking down on this now, returning French culture/behavioural norms to supremacy, and establishing the place of foreign cultures in France. Leaving it to later will make the eventual conflict much much worse. But that's the way Westerners are with most things... defer the problem to the next generation, who defer it to the next.
It'll be great to have all that new blood to pay for their Pensions too!
It is crazy. Imagine your president/PM/Taoiseach saying that. If we don't bow to Islams demands, there'll be a civil war. How weak and pathetic the West has become.
Europe's first multicultural civil war.
The sad part is that perhaps that civil war needs to happen, if only to get all this crap out in the open, and capable of being dealt with. France has been too divided for far too long (beyond their natural/native divisions).
The most explosive clash came when Le Pen confirmed she was sticking to her controversial policy of banning the wearing of the Islamic headscarf by women in public, describing it as a “uniform imposed by Islamists”.
Macron responded: “You are going to cause a civil war if you do that. I say this sincerely.”
I don't know what's worse: the French president sincerely believing that a certain community in France are capable of starting a war over clothing, or the fact that he may be right.
It's a hare-brained attempt to deflect and distract from Boris Johnson's own deep political failings and rank hypocrisy over the anger among the UK electorate over his blatant disregard for others vis a vis his many Covid lockdown parties at Number 10.
It won't work beyond the immediate short-term as Rwanda are being bribed by the UK govt to partake in this folly and almost certainly lack the capacity, competence and infrastructure for this. Expect some kind of crisis and u-turn on this before too long...
Just as Boris's attempts to use the war in Ukraine to his own political advantage and cling on to power at any cost is pretty obvious to anyone with more than a few brain cells - and who prefers to get their news from sources other than Sky News and the tabloids.
It's all about distraction and self-preservation and little if anything to do with trying to properly deal with the people trafficking/illegal immigration problem.
It'll be great for Rwanda's GDP
They aint exactly living in 5 star hotels in France.
Maybe this is a super opportunity for Rwanda to become Cultural diverse and improve their economy.
England's loss could be Rwanda gain
It sure stopped the drownings from people smugglers trying to get people to Australia didn't it
I'm not aware of prisons ever having contributed anything to culture because if its anything like the aussie system, then that's what it's going to be
Is it not good news for Rwanda though?
Sure does it not make Rwdnda more cultural diverse now..something you dream of.
Surely a great day for Rwanda.
So in fact it should be posited that that the Fernch revolution was in fact inspired by the American one?
I think the reference is that most of the progressive ideas of that time was coming out of France leading up to the revolution, whether that was poetry, actual philosophy or political science. A large percentage of the great thinkers of that time were French..
I don't know a lot about the era, but I can remember a few movies who used these thinkers/writers for the basis of generating support among the educated, which gave rise to the change in perception about the inherent qualities of man, and what is a man. Class consciousness, of course, being different depending on who is involved, and as such revolution being brought about on many levels. Or something like that. haha. Not my thing.
Feck off, you pedant. 😁
But yeah, pretty much, nail on the head JK. On all counts.
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