Yup, looks like a ghetto.
Its called the retro style of soviet architecture. On the positive side, its only half a glass box.
Not to sound like a dick but where exactly have Simon community gotten the cash for a development of that size?
I've been hearing for a good while BAM cant make the financials for their Horgan's Quay apt block work and that was pre the current inflation, same was the argument for the Sexton site to change to offices, are Simon planning to build €400k+ apts for the homeless?
Can't speak to the funding, but the majority (>90%) of the apartments in the complex are 1 bedroom or studio apartments, with floor areas down to the minimum in the DoE planning guidelines, so the market value would be closer to €200k than 400k+. You'd also have to assume that Simon don't have a profit margin built-in as you'll find with a developer-led building.
Maybe if they got the site for free from some donor and you cut out profit but this is what SCSI were saying the start of 2021 for a two bed apt, you can add another 10% onto that since then, seems mad for a charity to be taking that risk, BAM's HQ resi block is only build to rent of small units too so im guessing that cuts out the immediate profit element and they couldn't make the maths work:
It looks to me like BAM are active on the apartment section of Horgans Quay
Can confirm. I work in Penrose Dock and our offices overlook the Horgan's Quay site, as well as the Railway Street and Customs House sites. They've been on site daily for the last 2-3 weeks, breaking up the existing tarmac and paving on the site, taking away some of the topsoil and generally leveling and grading the site. I'm still a bit skeptical, given past experience with apartment projects in Cork, but it looks to me as if they're preparing the site for construction work to start.
That's great news, even if they are just for rental and im sure they will be pricey but its an extra 300 apts for the city which is massive and in a great location.
My cynical side thinks their hand might have been forced trying to find tenants for the HQ office block, last I heard they had only committed to building the shell of the phase that's ongoing at the moment, I sure a big MNC would love an "office space plus 100apts for their staff" kinda deal.
Looks like Tedcastles site is moving to next stage:
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Some images here.
I assume this is just phase one, the buildings along the riverfront. There's much more to come (~2,300 apartments in total).
That’s with ABP so will take time. Decision expected June 16th.
By the Examiner article, there’s 1992 student bed spaces coming online between now and September 2023. Impressive.
3 storey development at Carmelite Place approved:
Images and promotional video of the Marina development in Cork Beo.
I must say I find the architectural style to be very generic and bland for such an important development.
Leads to a poor skyline.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/property/watch-video-shows-how-massive-23713410
I don't mind the tall building but the low rise blocks are really bland and ugly to me, too.
Gives a very jagged impression IMO, some of the other buildings could be taller
Details of the 12 BusConnects corridors will be published later today.
Private buses are being moved from St Patrick's Quay.
Great help to Public Transport. It really is the city of cars
"...car spaces and bus parking will be replaced by cycle lanes."
City of cars? By taking out car spaces?
In any case, clearly planned by a dumbass who never had to use a bus to connect with another bus.
Iconic taking up a floor in NSQ2 while Clarendon hint that appartments at Horgan's quay may not go ahead due to rising costs:
Clarendon probably hoping some social housing body will write them a very large cheque 🙄
not really a great idea, those are still public transport just not government owned. stupid to move them from where they were
As far as I know thats gone legal - the bus operators aren't happy - don't know if they have a leg to stand on though ..
All for a cycle lane?
I wonder however did I manage without cycle lane on that street for years? Maybe I'm due a payment for all the trauma involved.
Why aren’t private bus operators operating from a bus station? Seems a bit anti competitive that only CIE seems to use those facilities. That isn’t how it works anywhere else I’ve ever been.
Turning a quay into an ad hoc bus station is not a good use of public space and scattering the busses is absolutely ridiculous. They should be using the new bus station at Kent Station.
Bus station would be a better option. Patricks Quay was a terrible location for a coach stop. Narrow footpath, no shelter, waiting passengers blocking the footpath with luggage, danger of falling into the river etc. Not to mention the fact that buses would immediately get stuck in traffic trying to get through Maccurtain Street.
In most cities I’ve lived elsewhere the bus station is owned by the city council or a transit authority and long distance buses use it. Ireland seems to never have evolved past the notion of a CIE state monopoly operator so hasn’t opened bus stations, yet we’ve loads of private operators and it’s just a mess, especially in cities where you’ve loads of services terminating.
Omg I've lost count of all the times I've fallen into the river while waiting for a bus on Patrick's Quay.
I've never taken a BE Dublin bound bus but wouldnt they have to negotiate McCurtain street as well??
The fact that there isn’t a proper bus station for all operators in 2022 is crazy and just having some kind of mess evolve on a quay is just bad planning and damaging to the area as it turns it into effectively an ad hoc bus station without proper shelter or facilities. It’s also probably impinging on evolution of that quayside as a public space, with better retail, dining etc as the whole area gets more focus on it with the MacCurtain St revamp etc.
Cork needs to make much more use of quaysides as leisure / green spaces as it has almost no public spaces at all in the city centre. Using them to park buses is not appropriate at all.
That use of Patrick’s Quay seems to have just happened as the bus market grew and it’s gone from being a minor thing to being almost bus depot.
The facility at the rear of Kent Station should be where they come in and should be a major transit mode interchange and not just CIE/Bus Éireann.
It also avoids city centre traffic and doesn’t add to it by being able to route the buses back out onto the Lower Glanmire Road, yet is just on the edge of the city centre.
