Really? Do you have those ratios?
if course everybody is equal, why do you think differently?
No but if we apply the bad apples analogy you can't deny the ratio of murders to immigrant/Muslims at this point can you? Unless you go out of your way to be obtuse in your defence of everyone being equal which your post history clearly shows.
But who is importing problems? We don't even import people.
some people move to this country, we don't import them.
That's true, and we have Irish people who do these things too unfortunately, but we don't need to be importing more problems do we?
That is a great move by Boris to ship illegals coming across the channel to Rwanda.
This is the sort of action we've been waiting for and why he won a landslide in 2019. People are sick of it now.
Ireland should benefit from this too as it limits the traffic in at source.
I haven't seen any kind of prohibition against talking sense on these forums. Sure, there's heaps of posters who will throw a tantrum, insult, and then play the victim card when confronted.. but this thread, in itself, is proof that there's still space on boards to talk against the status quo.
It's the nature of the internet. Opposition is spawned regardless of who is pushing it.
I don't buy it TBH. It's too easy an answer. Where was all this hate and racism twenty years ago? Sure, Ireland wasn't the most sought after destination, but there's been Asians and others here for decades. There's an extended family network of Chinese people in my hometown that came here in the 60s, and have integrated well with the community. Separate but accepted.
What has changed in Irish society over that time? I'd point fingers at multiculturalism, and this focus on diversity. This push to elevate and reinforce the differences in ethnic groups, cultures, religions, etc. This need for those differences to be recognised, acknowledged, and gain privileges. All aimed to separate people and prevent everyone from being treated equally.. and so, people can't help but see foreigners as foreigners. The near constant reinforcement and feeble attempts to implement conditioning in schools and in the media adds to this reinforcement of tribalism. This demand that we recognise that we are racist... (while ignoring how common racism is worldwide)
At some point we have to look at all the changes over the last 20-30 years, and wonder whether some of them have led to less than positive changes in our society... Did the removal of corporal punishment in schools and the home, lead to less authority and respect of adults over teenagers? Have our policies in our schools encouraged the expectation of certain rights, and entitlements, which might have resulted in the welfare generation? Etc.
We should be asking all manner of hard questions about the state of our own society... in addition to the questions about our policies over foreign groups, and immigration. Why has assimilation been removed from the objectives relating to foreign groups? How can we effectively bring about integration? It's pretty obvious that the current method of just letting foreign groups do whatever they want, doesn't lead to wonderful conclusions.. so.. perhaps we should be investigating better ways to deal with all of this.
The passing all of this off on to skangers doesn't make any sense to me. In the decade or so, that I've lived as an expat, each time I returned to Ireland, I found it to have changed considerably.. socially. Some good and some bad.. but plenty of changes, and very little conversation about those changes.
Oooooh can't be talking sense on these forums mate. Don't you know this place has been hijacked by no lifer lefties polluting every thread, have a gander and you'll see the same names posting everywhere. What a sad existance.
Just to clarify they weren't the same advert.
The public transport one is going back a few weeks and I didn't hear any ads for it.
The one I heard yesterday is new and was from a Dept but maybe not a specific one.
…too many foreign vulture funds.
But really it’s our own skangers, won’t work but they have to be seen doing something especially on public transport.
haha... they have a marketing budget, and it's gotta be spent. It's like all the road safety advertisements that either are on TV or pop up on Youtube, even though, the actual deaths involved are tiny compared to other countries.
The reality is that these advertisements will continue to come out because 'the message' must be promoted. One is too many.. that's the logic behind any of these promotions. One racist remark or one traffic accident is too many. Ever notice how the traffic accident ads are always a young white male driver? Never seem to see any female drivers, or other racial groups being represented there.
As for nobody asking the questions... it's pretty obvious there's a ban/taboo on media representation of non-PC topics. Which is why there won't be a primetime on migrant crime (unless it connects and shows the Irish as being responsible for it), or why people aren't being deported, when they should.
If this fella read this thread he would have known to say he was applying for Asylum and he could just have absconded immediately.. amateur.
Flew into Paris 10 years ago n was getting the train from the airport to the city. Coming to the next stop people put away their laptops, finished their phone calls n conversations wrapped up- happy days says I it must be central station.
Not quite, it was some spot full of north Africans. A gang of scumbags got on, eyeballed everyone, shouting down to another crowd behind us. The french just stared at the ground.
I see in the french election Le pen is neck and neck with macron, it seems the french have had enough multiculturalism at this stage.
Did anyone see this tripe at bus stops or online?.
Can anyone say they've witnessed widespread racism on the public transport network that we need an ad campaign?.
Heard another great one on the radio earlier by the Government, some woman saying "there's too many foreig...." And cuts her voice out and says racism isn't acceptable blah blah.
If that's the barometer our civil servants are putting up as being racist by basically asking the question of this thread, is it any wonder nobody asks any questions or anyone is deported?.
Its defenders will always say that it does work and this is precisely how it should work, otherwise is not multiculturalism, it's assimilation. They will describe these ghettos as beautiful multicultural vibrant melting pots where they will not be caught dead but still they will defend them.
I have no idea where this gets likes from!
you say multiculturalism doesn't work, in your mind anyway, then go on to talk about people sticking together. Sure there's nothing wrong with people sticking together, if that's what they want to do.
lots of different cultures, living in one country, multiculturalism.
Will this bum and her husband be paying their own way or will we have to find and fund them a new abode?
This parasite should be returned to Saudi or Sudan. Not added to the council housing list.
Multiculturalism doesnt work anywhere, each groups sticks together, i lived in Paris there are ghettos where races have set up together they ignore the rules and the cops keep out . Even in Ireland maybe the teenagers mix but anyone older keeps to their own. When you leave your own homeland you naturally drift towards others who are from your homeland too. Its human to want to be with like minded people. Nothing wrong with it but we call it racism. I tend to like my fellow irishmen but admitting that is tanamount to being a racist which i am not i just like my own people.
Just finished reading through the thread. Some good discussion. Personally, I am against multiculturalism in Ireland, now to be more precise. I'm sick to death of driving through areas like Mountjoy Square and seeing what I can call multiculturalism and from what I can see high levels of unemployment. From entering the country fleeing "persecution" and seeking "employment", I'm not seeing a lot of working here or even a willingness to get. Now to not beat around the bush this is the Roma Gypsy population in Mountjoy Square and I've worked with hard-working Romanians who have nothing to do with these Roma Gypsys and actually from conversion quite despise them for giving Romanians a bad name. I want to see an Australian type system where we need to see evidence of a waiting home and employment for all foreign internationals entering Ireland. Obviously (not obvious really to those in power) any criminal offence is an automatic send home. When I say any, basically any criminal offences as we might aswell be picky. Also, knowledge of Ireland and the ability to speak a decent standard of English is a must in my opinion.
The rising African population, again with Roma Gypsys and Romanians if skilled and safeguarded from criminal activity, by all means, come in if you are wanted (evidence of a waiting home and employment). I want immigrants to be joining the housing market if to enter Ireland, not jump on unemployment and look for council accommodation. If you are to arrive, rent or buy a home and work. I want to stop this build-up of foreign nationals in one area so they can integrate easier and stop this divide between Irish and Immigrant. Also, these immigrants should be grateful to be here, I'm seeing foreign nationals take Ireland for granted, are involved in crime, hassling local communities, deport them on a strike system, and have to be ruthless. Ease off after a few years if needed but these people need Ireland more than we need them.
Travelling community, now controversial, I'm not a fan in all honestly, rarely have a good experience with them if over a group of about two. These halting sites on land they don't own have to be stopped. Not quite sure how as I definitely would be heavy-handed if in charge and that's not really an ideal solution. The lack of tax paying and every family seemingly feuding is of no benefit to Ireland. Not sure what to do with them though as they cant be deported. The criminality inside this community is too high and with the lack of tax paying, I would just do the heads of each site with prison sentences for tax issues. Also stamping down on their "culture" grabbing women is a thing, assault and harassment are what it is. That should be straight arrests really, get with the times and integrate FFS.
Relating to the general discussion in the early parts of this thread, the advertisements with box-checking is honestly just funny and depressing. What is the percentage of black people in Ireland ?? 1.5%? Yet every advert I see is about 50% black people and these mixed marriages which must be about 0.5% of the marriages here. I feel a message is constantly being forced upon us. I am tired of this wokeness.
I'd love to join a strong political party that makes us stronger with immigration etc but none seem to be brave enough to go for it. I know of that National Party and some other party that escapes my mind, but they seem looney. I've spoken to many people who feel similar but just don't speak out. Think Ireland needs to be stronger with immigration.
No it is not. What would they be investigating? Cars driving with Russian flags?
Like I said, if you feel there is something sinister happening, then go in and make a complaint. I doubt you will though........
without complaint, there is no investigation - this is a ridiculous thing to say.
Which guard in particular do you think should be the one to investigate?
without complaint, there is no investigation. Flying a flag isn't exactly against the law now is it?
If you believe there is something more sinister at play, then go in and make a complaint of incitement to hatred, to an actual member of AGS.
It’s not a crime to fly the Russian flag so I don’t see the point. Also there is still not explanation of what the Z or now the O actually means.
Will you make one?
I shouldn't need to, it's a potentially criminal act and they must be aware of it happening, just as I am. And if they aren't aware of a group or russians organizing a march and meeting in support of a genocidal war then things are more fkd than we can imagine.
I'm not sure it would be considered incitement to hatred legally
Of course you aren't. They should investigate to find out if it is, and prosecute if needed.
Well if they receive a complaint they will probably Investigate. Will you make one?
I'm not sure it would be considered incitement to hatred legally, but if you make the complaint I'm sure you will be updated on the investigation.
Will the Guards be looking into those cnuts flying the russian flag and Z symbol, as an obvious incitement to hate? Or is it hate only when it against certain "protected" minorities?
Recently Saudi introduced an expat tax. Pakistani family living there didn’t like it and moved to Ireland via England, Were about to be deported but were reprieved as Dept caved to a small local protest by the local do-gooders .One of the nicer ways the Saudi get rid of people they don’t want.
@DeadHand what about members of the 'Irish nation' born elsewhere in the world? Are they as Irish as Pearse himself?
Why the need to draw distinctions between ethnic Irish and other more recent irish? Your use of the term 'Irish nation' is very telling.
On the knotty issue of nationality and identity, I think a distinction can and should be made between a citizen of the Irish State and a member of the Irish nation.
In Ireland, many seem to have embraced a dogma of progressivist transubstantiation whereby a native of the Guinea Basin or the Ruhr Valley can have a few words said over them and automatically become as Irish as Padraig Pearse.
In most of the rest of the world, this would be seen as a nonsense.
I will always maintain the increasingly unfashionable position that being Irish is something and means something. That I belong to a people, a nation, a tribe; that I have a homeland.
It means less, arguably it means nothing, if any person in the world can make the same claims on the submission of the correct paperwork.
There is more to being Irish than a legal status and a demarcation to be made between a legal/administrative nationality and a cultural/ethnic nationality. Between citizens of our Republic and members of our nation.
Being born in a stable still doesn't make you a horse.
As for mass immigration being good for the economy, it is good for an insulated elite who benefit from artificially swollen labour pools and markets.
For most of the rest of us, who will find ourselves competing for dwindling space, resources and beleagered public services with the new populations in an overburdened society, the benefits, economic or otherwise, will be less tangible.
It will be difficult to celebrate bumper years for Tesco and McDonalds in Ireland when you can't find a place to live, get a hospital appointment or secure a school place for your child.
This before even accounting for the social, cultural and religious strife that has been suffered elsewhere, the first green shoots of which are already appearing here, as a result of these unprecedented influxes.
I was interested to see environmentalism feature in the discussion. Mass immigration, upon which multiculturalism is predicated, is, by any metric, damaging for the host environment.
There seems to be a belief in magic among the advocates of mass immigration in that that many have expressed faith that we can and must continue with transformative population increases and reduce our carbon emissions at the same time. Logically, this is on par with arguing you can and must jump into a swimming pool without getting wet.
As well as this, population increases will cause further encroachment on and pollution of the far from abundant ecosystems of our homeland.
It's ironic to see left leaning progressivists duped into supporting ruthlessly capitalistic, environmentally catastrophic processes. It would make me smile were the consequences not so grave.
Corporatism accomplished one of the greatest propaganda coups of the modern era in converting their natural opponents into the most vicious defenders of their interests in this aspect.
I would rather see this "Employees market" we have at the minute continue, conditions may improve in jobs at the lower end of the pay scale if there is some competition in retaining workers. With the increase in prices in almost everything it might lessen the burden on some families.
Snipped. Wrote a long reply, but you're right. I should just /ignore you. Grand.
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