I think Putin likes these meetings because he can spin it to his own people and the chinese that his trying to make peace but in reality he wants anything but
I don't think it is, so long as any conflict stays within Ukraine and Russian territory isn't attacked, I think things could be kept conventional.
No need to rinse your mouth - the "broken clock" clause may be used twice a day . . .
Watching the harrowing story on BBC now. It seems some Russian infantrys are far worse than others. One woman raped and murdered and left on the street.
Another following infantry found her and let the neighbours know what happened and had *some decency to bury the body.
I think it’s a total waste of time. Even acknowledging this rats existence is a step too far for any civilized country. This is north Korea times a million now. As Reagan once put it an “evil empire” and despite a brief window of hope under Gorbachev are still the exact same shower of **** they always were
Not sure what you mean. We are seeing standard Russian doctrine in action, e.g. encircle and shell cities into submission (Grozny), thermobaric weapons (Grozny, Syria) and possibly worse in Mariupol. Poor troop discipline + looting, torture, murders, rapes.
I would need a lot of convincing that these tanks are in any fit state to move never mind go into battle. I know how bad a lot of them were in the mid to late 90's - a friend ended up in hospital after a breakdown of one he was driving on his reservist training or refamiliarization or whatever it was called, and his wasn't the only spectacular breakdown that month.
There all eastern European and Ukrainians not Irish ,
Right, but they will still have to negotiate with Putin in the end, they can't burn every bridge, they can call him out for what he is but they still have to talk to him
France uncovered more Russian spies and has asked 6 more Orcs to leave. For some reason the French referred to them as 'diplomats', hopefully they will catch on, eventually.
Yeah, and we have 100's of the cockroaches parading on the M50 with Russian flags and Z symbols on their vehicles. Round them up and kick them out now. We are at war with these people and the sooner we realise that the better.
Respectfully disagree. You do your talking with him via the end of an anti tank missile. There’s no talking to be done woth Russia. Cut them out and isolate them from the world north Korea style. They can come to the table some time if they change their tune and want to actually change. But that’s up to them.
US public opinion taking a hardline on Russia https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraine-russia-war-what-should-us-do-opinion-poll-2022-04-09/
Oh, right. Unfortunately for you, I remember the last negotiations with Putrid, which resulted in: 'Don't worry lads, I promise Russia will not invade Ukraine.'
We don't have to negotiate with him because he doesn't meet the basic criteria that process requires.
How will the war in Ukraine end without some negotiation? Are they somehow going to defeat the entire Russian army I'm a ten year war? Obviously they will have to talk to him at some point, I would have thought. As unfortunate as that is.
There will be no negotiations at the end of this.
Why is that unfortunate for me?
If the rumours are true, they have used chemical weapons already. Maybe its time for NATO to kick butt.
What have negotiations achieved? There’s been years of them since Putin wormed his way into power. Georgia, Syria, Ukraine…It’s a noble thought that you can negotiate but unfortunately that’s not the level we are dealing with.
Over 60% support for intervention in that eventuality. American should at the very least be lavishing Ukraine with the very best equipment it has. The Russians couldn’t compete with it
Well I think they need to put Putin in a hard position where his forces are totally demoralized and he has no major strategic goals achieved, then he might be more amenable.
The idea of Putin being deposed in some sort of internal coup has been punted about a good bit. It's a possibility to be considered, and more so if Russian becomes further economically isolated. Therefore it could be the case that although Putin cannot be reasoned with, a more reasonable successor could be.
And I agree with those who say that Western leaders should stop even trying with Putin. He just sees their overtures as supplication.
Well let him come crawling to the table as and when. Not the other way around though
Putin is trying , in vain so far, to get the West and Nato to respond, so that he has the '' I told you so moment' . That is why he's attacking schools, hospitals, train stations, civilians , kids, women, he wants a reason to go all in with nukes.
Full oil embargo is next step, do it, cut Russia off from the rest of the world.
Euro news saying Russia have advised of terrorist may happen attacks in 3 cities in Russia near Ukraine.
Remember the apartment bombings.
Yeah, That’s me as well. First Generation diaspora or whatever you wanna call it. So I consume twice the regional news, twice the political content, even twice the celeb gossip when I feel like it - from two culturally rather different countries (in EU terms). This duality means that there is hardly ever a boring day in European politics or current affairs for me, and makes for a rich enough interwebz perusal experience, fwiw.
@joseywhales - then he might be more amenable.
I don't think you're going to see "amenable" from Putin at any time soon, if ever.
If it gets to the stage where it's a prolonged stalemate then I can see him liberally using chemical weapons. And if he should end up on the verge of losing then I foresee a cornered rat who will once again play the nuclear card... and if he doesn't get whatever it is he wants then I do believe he would be the instigator of nuclear armageddon.
If this escalates to anywhere near that level then it's my belief that he will be removed/taken out internally. Or China will play a major role in preventing it.
Ukrainians warning some fuckery could be started in Moldova. I don't even want to legitimise the "breakaway" region by naming it. The Moldovans would want to be very prepared.
I always wrote off the apartment bombings theory as too quare to possibly be true. No longer.
You have to wonder will there ever come a day when that man will answer for his outrageous crimes.
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