So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
Strand Rd had plenty of consultation and reports completed. Plus it was to be a six month trial.
While in name this is a cycle scheme, the main beneficiaries will be the largest single user group on the route, namely bus users as already explained above through the segregation of the cyclists and buses, and increased length of bus lanes.
At the end of the day, in Fairview the minority of road users had a significant majority of roadspace. This is being changed.
It is going to be pretty rare that someone would be driving in through fairview who could not have gotten a bus instead. You're not driving in via Fairview from out past the M50 or anything except in very niche cases.
A plan being known about and how it will work in practice are two very different things. They needed to keep talking about how diversions and other arrangements would work and they didn't. I know bus PT is an off-tangent and it's universally a great idea until you realise it's your footpath or garden that will lose width.
Yes but we don't have enough buses going to enough places regularly enough to benefit people. And we'll be waiting!
Actually, I think the main beneficiaries of the project will be the people of Dublin NE who will see major upgrades to their water and sewerage network. But let's all rant about a cycle path which forced a shop to close when the lads were putting out the traffic cones...
Consultations generally mean that public bodies did what they should do anyway and now as a result they have an agreed plan. People are not always aware what the reality is, no matter how much they have been allegedly consulted and some may not have bothered with that process. Just because a consultation has been announced and carried out is not evidence that all stakeholders did engage, especially if it didn't look like it was anything to do with them and now suddenly it is. Keeping talking and nursing them through it is all part of the implementation IMO.
Strand Road always struck me as not fully thought out - great to get traffic off that road but very little thought about where would it now go. I think there was also a level of that with the extensive BusConnect consultation where people genuinely didn't realise until the plans were drawn up and they saw that some would lose land and mature trees would have to go.
they've been talking about doing this work for 15 years probably. and the majority of the actual construction work involved - AFAIK - has nothing to do with transport, it's water main work.
Strand Road or Fairview? My point was about Strand Road.
Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about. This is pretty evident from your posts today.
You are not obliged to reply to anyone but hey refreshing insight into your mindset. I'll be exercising that lack of obligation now thanks.
Go and read my earlier post in this thread.
There have been increases already in the bus service in this area and more is coming in the form of two high frequency orbitals in the next couple of months.
Feeling lazy! What post number?
It’s on page 5 - can’t see post numbers.
Edit - it was post #126
Your first paragraph is pure nonsense. If a stakeholder does not engage in a process of consultation, that is their call but that does not mean that the process was not held and is not legitimate.
In terms of your second paragraph, Strand Rd received plenty of consultation and research was carried out about traffic changes including traffic evaporation. As for BusConnects, there has almost been too much consultation on this project and somehow despite the consultation, many of those opposed still managed to make up utter crap to defend their opposition.
Were you past the stop line, so weren’t detected as a car waiting to turn right? Sounds odd that filter wouldn’t be working if you were at the stop line, as it has a sensor. .
I think their point is that only rich people live close enough to city centre to cycle. The hard pressed working man motorist lives in Navan and Clonee as it's all they could afford so they have to drive.
Isn't there also a theory that lower class of people want other people to see they have attained car owning status.
But middle class people don't feel the same need to show off that they own a car, so cycle their bikes more as a result.
There is certainly an issue where bad planning has led to urban sprawl and commuter towns, with all the jobs being in Dublin. That isn’t a reason to have further bad planning where we shove more and more single occupant cars into limited space. (I’m not aiming this at you, I know you agree with this, it’s just a follow on from your point.)
I live in Blackrock, as far as I can tell middle class people definitely have a need to show off
Having lived here a while I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who cycles to work from my street and it's probably 50% social housing and was always a less well off area. Took me 19 mins to cycle to Merrion Square yesterday. I must be the only middle class person around here.
"Didn't really talk to anyone about what they wanted to do".
The disruption will move to different locations along the route at different times.
I live in North Strand. I find the worst of the delays at the moment (that affect me) would be outbound. I find it quicker to go up Phillipsburgh avenue and down Griffith avenue than plod along through the blockages from Annesley Bridge road to the Malahide Road.
So basically, he wanted everyone else to suffer, so that his customers wouldn't be inconvenienced, even though they'll all be dead in about a decade anyway.
Pretty much. He blamed his closure on something he had plenty of notice about and which hadn't even started rather than a presumably failed business model. Surely if business had been that good, he would have relocated rather than close down altogether and him starting work as an employee for someone else!
What the **** does their age have to do with anything? We could all be dead in less than a decade
There are no distant suburbs served by Fairview Rd though.
His same customer base have been with him since he opened, getting older, and he hasn't attracted newer, younger customers.
Yeah, we could all be dead in less than a decade, but I imagine a 90 year old has a higher chance of dying than a 30 year old.
He wants a public infrastructure halted all because it doesn't suit him. Doesn't matter about anyone else. He makes excuses about four parking spots being removed destroying his business, yet there's still at least a hundred parking spaces just as close, without a 6 lane road for them to cross.
So I ask again: what the **** does their age have to do with anything?
It's the reason why his business is dying. His customer demographic means they are literally dying off.
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