So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
It’s on page 5 - can’t see post numbers.
Edit - it was post #126
Feeling lazy! What post number?
Go and read my earlier post in this thread.
There have been increases already in the bus service in this area and more is coming in the form of two high frequency orbitals in the next couple of months.
You are not obliged to reply to anyone but hey refreshing insight into your mindset. I'll be exercising that lack of obligation now thanks.
Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about. This is pretty evident from your posts today.
Strand Road or Fairview? My point was about Strand Road.
they've been talking about doing this work for 15 years probably. and the majority of the actual construction work involved - AFAIK - has nothing to do with transport, it's water main work.
Consultations generally mean that public bodies did what they should do anyway and now as a result they have an agreed plan. People are not always aware what the reality is, no matter how much they have been allegedly consulted and some may not have bothered with that process. Just because a consultation has been announced and carried out is not evidence that all stakeholders did engage, especially if it didn't look like it was anything to do with them and now suddenly it is. Keeping talking and nursing them through it is all part of the implementation IMO.
Strand Road always struck me as not fully thought out - great to get traffic off that road but very little thought about where would it now go. I think there was also a level of that with the extensive BusConnect consultation where people genuinely didn't realise until the plans were drawn up and they saw that some would lose land and mature trees would have to go.
Actually, I think the main beneficiaries of the project will be the people of Dublin NE who will see major upgrades to their water and sewerage network. But let's all rant about a cycle path which forced a shop to close when the lads were putting out the traffic cones...
Yes but we don't have enough buses going to enough places regularly enough to benefit people. And we'll be waiting!
A plan being known about and how it will work in practice are two very different things. They needed to keep talking about how diversions and other arrangements would work and they didn't. I know bus PT is an off-tangent and it's universally a great idea until you realise it's your footpath or garden that will lose width.
At the end of the day, in Fairview the minority of road users had a significant majority of roadspace. This is being changed.
It is going to be pretty rare that someone would be driving in through fairview who could not have gotten a bus instead. You're not driving in via Fairview from out past the M50 or anything except in very niche cases.
While in name this is a cycle scheme, the main beneficiaries will be the largest single user group on the route, namely bus users as already explained above through the segregation of the cyclists and buses, and increased length of bus lanes.
Strand Rd had plenty of consultation and reports completed. Plus it was to be a six month trial.
You complain about the lack of consultation and then list multiple projects that had more consultation than most projects do in their lifetime.
Thanks but this was not an example I gave. You'd expect it on such a large road. Strand Road is a very good example of where they didn't really talk to anyone about what they wanted to do. Balls-up is the right term there too.
Exactly the problem. There's almost little hope of it ever being effectively upgraded. Until it is done bus PT remains second choice for a lot of motorists.
"Looks like nobody has been consulted"
It's more difficult crossing the road at Connolly as cyclist often have a habit of ignoring pedestrian lights!
look at what happened busconnects. a major upgrade of the bus infrastructure was announced and immediately started being assaulted on all sides by all sorts of councillors, and it started dying a death by a thousand paper cuts.
i used to cycle into fairview from the malahide road, but take a left and then swing down by east point when commuting (i was bypassing rather than heading for the city centre though) and across the east link; i found that far more preferable than going via amiens street.
There shouldn't be the equivalent of a culture war over this and there is extreme militancy on both sides of the argument. Most people can accept what appear to be common sense adjustments. It's when there is wholesale change and it looks like nobody has been consulted - Strand Road Sandymount and the attempted Salthill route for example, that people get very irate. As the planners of the Dun Laoghaire route observed you really need to talk to people and keep them in the loop to help them understand what you're trying to do. Unfortunately that does not seem to be a policy of many councils.
Yes I have done and never had an issue with it personally. Lots of cycling and driving does hone your senses. A family member did meet an open car door one time though!
In the works and not actually happening and some being held up by naked NIMBYism. I have no opinion on this one as it's a route I very rarely use and can avoid completely. I was just surprised at the length of it and will avoid it now.
You did read the stuff on this thread about how this project will help to improve public transport, right?
Really? Have you tried cycling it? Coming out of town Fairview is treacherous. Going into town Amiens Street is scary. On 4 wheels it is seriously slow most of the way in and out at peak times.
Buses tend to get clogged in with other traffic at the various lights and junctions. Couple that with lack of awareness by drivers around bus lanes, yellow boxes, traffic lights and the general ability to stay out of the way the journey time on public transport is a lot longer and unpredictable that it should be. This change will hopefully address the issues although without enforcement you would wonder what is the point
Predominantly a car user now but have spent plenty of years down the public transport route too. My experience is very varied, from buses cancelled without notice to convoys queueing behind each other or 25-30 minutes delays on morning routes due to full buses flying by. I get why people don't want to use them. Lack of frequency and distances to actual bus routes are issues that remain unsolved and continue to make it unattractive as an option for many. As I said there is a far bigger picture that is missing key parts of the jigsaw.
There's lots of really big public transport projects in the works right now though. Also this project, the clontarf bus and cycle route, is also a public transport project.
Also on the clontarf route there's more people cycling than being moved by public transport.
It's often been my experience that folks in cars rarely think about or realise the problems other modes have due to the dominance of cars.
This is often alleviated by experiencing the situation first hand for a few days, whether that be walking, cycling or using PT.
We don't actually have an adequate public transport to fit such infrastructure. It all needs to be joined up thinking. Don't recall there being an issue on that stretch since bus lanes came in.
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