The law would disagree with you
If you were born outside of Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen by birth if either one of your parents was born in Ireland and was entitled to Irish citizenship.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html
This young lady is an inspiration, would love to be to go see her dance.
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You seem to think your opinion is right and everyone else is wrong and now we are uneducated as well.
I know my information on Irish citizenship is correct, it is not an opinion, it is fact. You are clearly uneducated on this topic, which is why I said you should educate yourself if you're going to talk about it.
Just wondering......how do you think Irish citizens are made????
Yeah they are entitled to citizenship, everybody knows that.
Blah blah blah blah
Good one 😉
Can't answer the question no?
You didn't appear to, based on your previous comment.
To confirm, they would be Irish by birthright and would legally recognised as Irish
No.
They would be Irish citizens yes but if for example they were born in England they would be English born to Irish parents.
Its not that hard to work out.
Seriously man, go read something!
England do not give citizenship to people just because they were born there. Now, when it comes to ireland, there is agreement for the children to be English, but that is only for Irish people, it does not apply to any other nationalities.
Ireland Do not give.automatic citizenship to children born in ireland.
The distinction between someone who acquired Irish citizenship which can be done after 5 years . Language, manner of thinking their politics food religion and colour .You do know that integration of migrants can be a problem because of their different culture and religion .
Those born here would be more likely to integrate but still be influenced by their foreign parent upbringing notably religion and language.
Migrants tend to socialise with those of the same nationality and language thereby creating parallel society .
So if there were born in China or Africa they would still be Irish .This would not render them stateless if citizenship was not easily acquired there or dual citizen ship illegal .
Those born in the UK to Irish parents have an automatic right to citizenship even dual British and Irish .You might lock your horns in on that and do some reading !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law_and_the_Republic_of_Ireland#:~:text=Irish%20citizens%20resident%20in%20the,be%20British%20citizens%20at%20birth.
If course. Jesus how do people think Irish citizens come about?
Are you suggesting that the more foreigners that live in Ireland, the less irish traditions there will be?
As for migrants sticking together, do you mean like the Irish who emigrated and brought our music, dancing, sports, stories all over the world?
You seem to think your opinion in this is more valid than the actual laws around it. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but alas your opinion is incorrect when compared to the actual law.
The fact, as recognised in legal terms, is that such an individual would be Irish. This would be recognised by both the English and Irish governments. Indeed it would be recognised globally whenever this person may travel as they would hold an Irish passport.
That's its not recognised by you has little bearing on anything, the facts are the facts.
You are welcome to maintain your opinion but as to why you would want to, when it's factually incorrect, would seem a strange decision.
Does it matter to know that you're talking to someone who thinks Paul McGrath or Phil Lynott are not Irish? Yes, it matters because it shows that person to be a racist. You can say you never said that but you were cheerleading a post that did say that someone with the same origins is not Irish and then brought up some weird Chinese stories to justify it. You inadvertently exposed yourself there and now once again you are writing tripe and trying to shut down that conversation by saying it doesn't matter that you don't think they are Irish. Well anyone interacting with you in good faith should know what they are interacting with and I will ensure that they do. No need for weird China stories in reply.
Will you stop calling people racist as you've no idea what racism is.
If someone says to a black person they're not Irish, when they are... It's not racist. It's ignorance of facts.
It would depend on their reason for saying it, if they just thought the person was a different nationality, then no, it would not be racist. If they said they're not Irish because black people cannot be irish, what would you think then?
The absolute irony that you would point out another poster seems to think their opinion is right and everyone else is wrong, while at the same time you’re arguing that Irish citizens aren’t Irish!
I mean, you can see why people might think “riiiiiight….”
For what it’s worth anyways, I would always defer to Irish law regarding whether anyone has the right to claim to be Irish, over anyone else claiming they aren’t. That’s why I didn’t get the big deal at first with Ms. O’ Mahony’s tweet, I thought surely it was obvious she is Irish, how is that even questioned!
Turns out there actually ARE a tiny minority of people who imagine their opinion takes precedence over Irish law. I should have known by now that there are that tiny number of people who do exist and do inhabit Irish society, but I just never imagine people are actually that stupid. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, and generally speaking that tends to work well, so it still comes as a surprise when I encounter anyone who is genuinely that up themselves that they imagine their opinions take precedence over Irish law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationality_law
If I went to America, got citizenship there would that make me American?
No of course it wouldn't so it baffles me why some of you on the thread would think that if a person who comes here and gets irish citizenship would be Irish like those of us born here.
And again, being born in Ireland does not make you Irish.
If you got American citizenship then yes you would be American.
Ethnicity and nationality are two different things. Every time this comes up it goes back and forward with people making assumptions about what’s actually being said by the other poster.
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If you say so
The law says so🙄
And again I’m perplexed as to how that’s even a question. The answer is yes btw - if you have American citizenship, you’re American. You can even have dual-citizenship if you like. Des Bishop was born in the UK, and is Irish-American.
Simply being born here doesn’t automatically qualify anyone as an Irish citizen. Geez I even provided you with a link which explains Irish citizenship, and it appears as though you didn’t even bother your arse to read it.
Where does anyone go with that like? It’s pointless even trying to inform someone who is so entrenched in the idea that their opinions take precedence over Irish law, it’s like they tuned out in primary school civics class and now they imagine they have the right to determine who is and isn’t Irish when they’re not even familiar with Irish law themselves! Truly I can’t get my head around that level of denial of reality.
Ah "the Irish were immigrants too" one. I think that came up on page two. I largely gave up on this thread, mostly from boredom, much of it because after all the back and forth the pro MC side seem to always come down with the same three well worn and often po faced responses/positives; charity, exoticism and the Irish were immigrants too. Well I suppose there's a fourth which is "I love sticking it to the "right wingers"". Though at least the some hopping up and down screeching racists has died off, so there's that.
Well thanks for your post.
That's not what my post said at all but thanks for dropping in 🙄
You really are struggling with the legal definition of citizenship and what it means. That's ok, it doesn't make any of your assertions correct though.
She was born in England. She’s not Irish.
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