Quite real 🙂
They are on their way to full citizenship now 😎
The rate asylum seekers are likely to come in the future it could become a reality .
I got a chuckle out of this today
Waiting for the.. "It's racist towards Irish people for her to call herself Irish"
Sounds like a great holiday!
Meanwhile, this poor lass went through hell.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/jury-convicts-four-men-in-relation-to-rape-and-sexual-assault-of-teenage-girl-in-a-car-six-years-ago-41530747.html
Let's see if there is any mention of deportations or stripping of citizenship (if they have Irish citizenship) after they have served their sentences, when they are sentenced in May.
No it won't.
Irish chap pleaded guilty in that case as well.
These new arrivals are settling in great. Personally, I'd like to them move on to other jobs soon that are more relevant to their qualifications and skills but its still fantastic to see them in employment so quickly after arriving
Yes, but he can't be deported or have his citizenship stripped. Let's see if the others can/will.
Great to see this Offaly woman doing the county proud.
he did indeed ................but does that excuse the 4 foreign chaps? I remember the witch hunt that went on the the Aisling Murphy case too when every media and social media darling in the country was calling for Irish women to talk to their sons, husbands and brothers, when Irish men were almost ostracized, women crossing the road and afraid to go out in case they met a "man" .... the entire thing was very uncomfortable ..... yet when it was discovered the perpetrator was foreign everyone went quiet, nobody backtracked, there were no apologies. People were afraid to say they were wrong because we are all terrified these days of being called racist!
Nobody says it dismisses the four foreigners.
Was just a point of important information that needed to be highlighted.
As for your tirade about the Ashling Murphy case, my partner is one of those women who changed her habits because of what happened to her, so keep your dog-ignorance to yourself.
Nobody backtracked because the point still stands. Just because the alleged perpetrator was a foreigner doesn't mean Irish men aren't capable of doing this. What a bizarre statement.
just because I have an opinion does not make me "dog ignorant". I have 2 daughters, one in their 20's, one in their 30's. Both run and hike alone. They have also both lived abroad and done the same (London, Canada and NZ). While being careful and letting people know where they are going, they did not change their behaviour because of what happened to Aisling Murphy. There is risk in life, there always was, there always will be. I was flashed at when I was 15 years old, in a forest, taking a short cut home from school, by a mature man . It scared me and I didn't go back to that forest for a while but it did not stop me going out on my own for walks and as I got older for runs and hikes. I was again flashed at only 3 years ago on a local deserted beach in February but I still walk on that beach (I rang the Gardai about it too).
My mother taught me to be independent and strong and not take risks.............but she also told me not to be afraid of living...........something I practiced myself my whole life and something both my daughters now practice. I am not "dog ignorant" and would not call anyone I disagree with "dog ignorant"!!!
(Apologies to other posters for going off topic but I take exception at being called names for having an opinion on something)
How was the fact the murderer was foreign make anyone wrong? If I remember correctly the whole conversation was about men. The murderer was a man was he not?
of course, that while thing was wrong and rubbish anyway, but him being foreign has nothing to do with anything.
It was very very much about Irish men, the Irish education system and for some bizzare reason Irish mammies
I must have missed that point so, I thought it was a general anti-men rant
Nobody is telling you that you can't have an opinion. Stop playing the victim.
You said everyone went silent and nobody back-tracked because the alleged perpetrator was a foreigner.
No, what has happened is somebody was charged and now the case is sub judice, and that limits what anyone in the media can say about it. That's why your opinion was dog ignorant. You made up an assumption in your head and passed it off as a fact when it was far from it.
You can have all the opinions you want but I'm equally allowed to challenge them when said opinions don't match up with reality.
we can all have opinions. That was not my point. My point was being called "dog ignorant" by you. Have a good evening.
Because you made up an assumption in your head that people stopped the discussions that arose out of the Ashling Murphy case because the alleged perpetrator was a foreigner.
That is dog ignorant. You can play the victim all you want but it was an ignorant statement that you literally made up and your 'opinion' isn't in any way backed up by facts.
The discussion died down because the case is sub judice. That's not 'opinion', that is fact.
Do I have to explain what sub judice means or do you understand why your original statement is dog ignorant now?
Agreed.
Because you made up an assumption in your head
Isn't that what we all do, and then backtrack to verify/justify it? (usually dropping the assumption when we can't, or when it's shown to be incorrect by others..). But saying I'm right and you're wrong, when you're both voicing your opinions isn't exactly impressive. I've noticed recently on boards a lot of this kind of attitude. My opinions are gold, but other opinions are open to being destroyed, because my opinions are gold. That's pretty much the logic being applied.
You can't really deny that there is a certain taboo in Irish society, and in particular, the Irish media about being critical of immigrants. RTE will crawl over a mountain to avoid reporting negative news about immigrants, and will generally drop their nationality/ethnicity when they commit a crime, whereas they tend to note those things when it relates to UK/Irish people.
That poster is entitled to her opinion. Oddly enough, I share the same opinion as her. That things were hushed up because a foreigner was responsible. If it had been an Irish guy, then the media would have run with the murderous rapist Irish men routine for a much longer period than they did, and they still managed to go on about it for ages, talking about men being responsible, discussing the various aspects of toxic male culture, covering everything under the sun, except the foreigner aspect.
That's more than a little suggestive, don't you think?
Oh, and as for everything going quiet, people (outside of boards) wouldn't stop talking about these things just because it was "sub judice". It would still be in the media, and bandied across social media, if people thought they could push an angle/agenda.. but being called racist/xenophobic/whatever tends to kill a story, so... yeah. Back to the taboo thingy in Irish society about being critical of immigrants. Except in the pub, (although in many places the pub culture has died.)
.What is wrong with preventing people coming here or to other countries that abuse immigration rules for entry !! So you prefer a soft border ?
The numbers coming will increase as the extra benefits and easier access at present to allow it . There is talk of capacity soon reaching the limit . Population expansion seems to be the government aim .Great timing by the government to introduce an amnesty for 17k plus in addition to Ukrainian refugees .
Interesting how the population of Germany was 80 million in 1946 and is only 84 million now and yet its economy grows . They are able by both its population size and growth rate to take in more migrants unlike Ireland .
You will never see statistics about rapes or sex assaults committed by foreigners for obvious reasons.
Because justice is blind.
Thankfully!
RTE don't report traveller crime either
Can you give an example of a report in Irish mainstream media where the perpetrator(s) being Irish was the focus of the article? I can’t think of any, except where an Irish person committed an offence in a foreign country. Nobody is crawling over any mountains to avoid reporting negative news about immigrants, they’re just not emphasising the perpetrators nationality, same as they don’t emphasise the perpetrators nationality where the perpetrator is Irish. It’s not relevant.
The obvious reason being that any statistics you do see about rapes or sexual assaults committed by foreigners are unreliable. The Home Office in the UK issued a report not so long ago based upon the data you said we never see. The report also contained data that you don’t want to see, such as the statistic that the perpetrators of gang rape, rape and sexual assault in the UK are predominantly white men of UK origin -
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report
Some people choose to focus on the characteristics of the perpetrators, some people choose to focus on the victims, regardless of the characteristics of the perpetrators. I’d be more focused on the victims tbh.
Exactly this. There are far too many people here who focus on the nationality of the alleged perpetrators and not on the crime itself.
I’d love to see the statistics of serious crimes committed by nationality because it would not make for any good reading for some people here who seem to think it’s the foreigners who are out there raping all our women.
Minorities. Disadvantaged groups. They have a very special place in Irish society. (TBH it's kinda like the way the RCC was, for the most part, above criticism in the past, but now, that's extended to the minority groups)
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