If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Yes, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO, the UK is....
If you cannot understand why this matters, it just shows us your grey matter ain't what you think it is.
They operate under a UN mandate, which is voted in the UNGA and the UNSC.
If you cannot see the difference between that and a unilateral action by Ireland sending its defence forces across the border into the UK, a NATO member, then your grey matter needs a boost.
You are all over the place Francie. You argue one thing, then in the next sentence argue the opposite.
No credibility left in the tank Francie.
You have for weeks now parroted the same anti-NATO and anti-Western soundbites that emanates from the Kremlin. There is plenty of proof in this thread, where you say that NATO has some overt agenda and the Ukraine issue is its fault.
I asked you what happened to Russia at the UN when they invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea?
Nothing happened mark, yet the consequences for us of sending an aid mission into help our own people (aid everyone could see (including Harold Wilson) was desperately needed) was apparently going to be worse.
It's rubbish scaremongering.
So if we remove the triple lock then they will be invading...ok, get you now. 🙄
Where are the 'pro Russia' comment mark?
'Anti Western' now because I don't want us to join NATO....ROFL x10.
You are confused.
If we get rid of the Triple Lock, no one will be invading anyone Francie.
So what are we going to do then mark?
You have said 'peacekeeping missions without the UN mandate' are 'invasions' loudly and clearly here for years.
Moving the goalposts again.
Ukraine is not a NATO member, the UK is a NATO member.
Russia is also a Nuclear Superpower, Ireland barely has a functioning defence force.
You think that if we send in troops into the North it would have all grand, yet you also argue FOR the triple lock.
These are totally and utterly conflicting statements, but the old grey matter cant process it, it seems.
*Also, if you are saying what is happening to Russia now is nothing, then God help you. Then again you have long been the most ardent apologist for deposits and murders on this board, it is not surprising that you throw your hat into the 'Russia are the good guys" ring.
Anti-Western and Anti-NATO because of your earlier comments on the war. I'll repeat you are the Mick Wallace of this board. The funny thing is, you dare not comment on the mega Russia thread, because your arse will be handed to you.
No, I did not say that.
All you have left Francie is twisting people's words. Shows us the lack of credibility you have left.
I never mentioned NATO in the question....I asked you did the UN dismantle Russia after it invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea? Russia remained a member and we even had our government glad handling and plamasing them to get their vote at the UN.
Have they been kicked out of the UN even now?
Nope, just kicked off a Human Rights committee.
Yet we were going to be bombed back to the stone age by a Harold Wilson government and dismantled by the UN for sending in an aid mission everyone, including Wilson, knew was desperately needed. 😁😁
So you accept now that sending an aid mission into NI without a UN mandate was NOT an invasion?
You are twisting your own stance mark, not me.
Look
Shinners,the old school ones anyway(not the blow ins) don't like nato because the UK is in it
Yet they'll happily hob nob with the USA's chief politicians because it'll help cáirde SF get rich
They also don't like Nato because Russia
They've recently gone all anti Russia (around invasion time) because the politicians in the USA they hob nob with at millionaire golf clubs in New Jersey for example are abhorred by Russias actions and this would impact Cáirde SF's fund raising
Money is important
Principles aren't
Hence the wiping of the Sinn féin website of all things Russia
I don't know why you're bothering so much with what an old school IRA time shinner has to say on this topic
Happy to vote against motions condemning Russia up untill January of this year even when it is occupying part of another country..
Utter hypocrites and I for one don't believe a word of their crocodile tears now on Russia
Its as fake as the ice in Dubai
I don't like NATO because of their previous actions and geo political gameplaying Marine.
I am able to criticise the US, UK, Russia and even Ireland or whoever without fear or favour.
What you guys are reduced to is calling anyone who criticises NATO 'pro Russian' or 'anti Western'.
It's good old fashioned 'reds under the bed' scaremongering Joe McCarthy would be proud off and extremely funny really.
You do realise that Russia is a Nuclear Superpower, hence why options are limited to what other countries can do?
You do realise this little fact, right? Because if you don't or pretend you don't then what the actual **** are you saying? Russia != Ireland
You also realise that Ireland has the smallest and weakest defence forces in Western Europe, maybe bar Andora or Luxembourg, and a NATO country like the UK would make mincemeat out of our defence forces if there was an incursion into its sovereign territory?
No. Because only a zealot, fascist, imperialist would think like that.
Why, because basically, you are saying that Russia is not invading Ukraine, because it's a 'peacekeeping' mission as it wants to de-Nazify the country?
THAT is your argument, Francie.
Ireland unilaterally invading the North under the guise of a peacekeeping mission or an aid mission is an invasion.
Russia unilaterally invading Ukraine under the guise of peacekeeping or de-Nazifying the state is an invasion.
You seem to think different, hence my comments about you being the Mick Wallace of this board.
I am saying that the likelihood of an aid mission ending up with the UN 'dismantling' us or NATO bombing us back to the stone age was fantasy scarmongering talk. Exactly what they have been trying/doing with the Russians...diplomacy comes first then military action if needed. It has been so for decades.
The likelihood actually was (see Harold Wilson's exasperation at trying to fix the situation and his stated fear of radicalizing the southern Irish population) that diplomacy would have solved the issue and we would have made a strong point, stood up for our own people and therefore would have stopped the vacuum that the IRA filled, forming.
It's funny as you spend 99% of your time giving out about NATO and da Brits and the West but barely a peep about Russia and your boy Putin, or the boys in the IRA..... funny that!
The George Galloway of Boards
Mendaciousness galore
Like Putins spokesman on sky news when shown a tank with a V on it firing on a woman on a bicycle when Bucha was under their control asking how do you know the tank is Russian
Or of course Comical Ali's 'We are winning '
The complete lack of understanding of the geopolitics of the 60s and 70s is mind-boggling from Francie. No understanding of the paranoia of the major powers. The UK would never have let a potential Cuba off its shore.
99%????
God you do love your misrepresentations.
I spend most of my time here commenting on the Irish government mark actually.
Not backed up by anything Harold Wilson/Jim Callaghan said or did blanch.
Keep trying but you are failing like those now painting me as 'anti Western' and 'pro Russia'.
oh please Marine, are you not better than this?
"I don't like NATO because of their previous actions."
Do you like them now?
Perhaps it would be preferable to join the EU Army, [whenever there is one].
On the understanding of course that the previous actions of some of the potential members of this proposed army might render them objectionable.
Probable best to stick to peacekeeping. It's cheaper and won't upset people's moral compass.
So even now when the fact that Russia is a Nuclear power is known, you still peddle the fantasy?
Why are you so hellbent on defending your boy Putin and his actions in Ukraine? Not surprising tbh, you have always defended the murders of children by the PIRA, so I guess when Putin's troops are murdering away in Ukraine, you give the same old tired answer.
I don't think he is defending Russia actually.
What he seems to be saying is the the West would be as afraid of Russia as they would have been of an untrained Irish army peacekeeping mission wandering in unarmed into Northern Ireland in 1969 and therefore wouldn't have squashed us.
Funny really.
Nonsense. You are a Putin apologist, wanting to give him a veto over the potential use of the Irish army in an EU peacekeeping mission in the Ukraine should one happen.
How freaking desperate that post is. 😁😁
Is this what you are reduced to?
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