Why do you feel the need as a poster who lives in England spend day and night on an Irish discussion forum constantly run down Ireland and the EU with twitter dumps and lazy one liners like this?
Do you have nothing else going on in your life that you could dedicate some time to?
Because it is, and such cretins are best ignored.
When you look at our own history, examples from a century ago and from the North for a few decades.
When you are outgunned by a hostile force that has come into your country the niceties are often difficult.
Sometimes a dead attacker is the only option.
Here's why you are stupidly falling for false equivalents BS.
Where Russia conquer they will kill men, women and children. Russia has invaded Ukraine. Russia has far more resources, especially man power than Ukraine. It takes people to guard POWs.
So, it's ****, but Ukraine didn't ask to mind Russian POWs while free Russians commit war crimes against its people. Ukraine can't afford to play by Queensbury rules, not against scum like Russian forces.
Meh there's only one set of invaders. **** em.
Yes; his post clearly sits squarely in the category of "entering debate".
How about you take your own advice and not post if you're not actually going to contribute to any discussion?
Someone important flying around?
Grow up.
Where did I claim any equivalency? Please quote where I make any claims or assertions about equivalency between Russia and Ukraine.
What is the **** point of having a discussion if people aren't going to actually discuss anything; and just spew emotive nonsense every time they see something they don't like?
Has there ever been a war where atrocities have not been carried out by both sides?
No doubt there are instances of Ukrainian soldiers acting like this (that incident may actually be Georgian fighters), however one differences is the Ukrainian Government has acknowledged such allegations can happen and promised an investigation and appropriate consequences for those responsible if true, unlike Russia who simply ignores the evidence and blame it all on the other side or write it off as propaganda using fantastic actors.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's in anyway acceptable, but, there are differences between what appears to be the odd breakaway shooting of the aggressors soldiers and what appears to be widespread raping, torturing and murdering of civilian men, women and children.
Thanks for your excellent contribution. Outstanding stuff.
One set of aggressors and invaders. It's as simple as you put it. Ukraine good and Russia bad.
If you can't comprehend that simple fact then you are exactly what you describe other posters as.
Anytime Vlad.
Exact same as raping and murdering children so therefore but but both sides.
what the f*ck would happen in any country where invaders were raping and murdering their children and wives.
Because I do not engage in debate with what I'd consider as a "3/4s". Hope that translates to Moskovite.
Yes; there is a clear difference between the Ukraine and Russian governments. Russia at best allows its troops to loot, rape and pillage; and at worst encourages it actively as part of their overall strategy. Ukraine clearly does not; and has repeatedly asked anyone fighting on Ukraine's behalf to obey the Geneva Convention.
Likewise there is a clear difference between an invading army soldier violating the rights of a peaceful citizens of a defending country; and a soldier defending their country violating the rights of an aggressor attacking that country.
And Russia's actions from the very beginning are the primary reason and cause for any Russian soldiers being mistreated (if it is actually happening); that's also blindingly obvious.
with what I would I consider as I'd consider
I suppose it's hard to engage in debate when you can't even string a single sentence together.
That plane seems to be coming from. Leninavan airfield.
The children have really taken over this thread.
That's why all the serious posters have gone to the other one.
Which please? Can you point me there?
Maybe reply to what a post is actually saying rather than your knee-jerk emotive reaction about what it's saying in your own personal fantasy world?
Nowhere did I make or imply any comparisons to raping and murdering children; in fact I didn't even bring it up. Obviously raping and murdering children is generally considered by almost the entirety of the world to be amongst the most vile acts that involve a human doing something to any other human; and I fully agree with that sentiment. Every Russian involved in those actions should be pursued to the ends of the earth and punished appropriately; and to me appropriate punishment is not a simple and quick bullet to the head.
And nowhere did I claim or imply that invaders who raped and murdered wouldn't to some extent be punished summarily by defenders; in any past conflict or any hypothetical future conflict I'm sure that it happened and will happen to some extent or other.
But the argument "well it happened in other wars so it's okay if it happens here"; if that's the argument you're trying to make; I do not agree with. It is not okay if it happens here; and not even because I feel any sympathy for the Russian soldiers but because it is likely to hurt the Ukrainian people and Ukraine as a nation both in the short-term as they repel the Russian invasion and long-term as they try to rebuild from it.
Even though I can understand why it's happening, and even sympathise with any Ukrainian soldier who might mistreat a Russian prisoner; that doesn't change that fact.
I wouldn't say Russia bad myself, it's not strong enough. I'd use words like Evil, twisted, sick, perverted to start with.
You were raising Ukraine forces actions as being 'bad guys'. Fcuk off with that frankly. It's false equivalence to claim both sides are bad guys.
You find out your village and family have been violated by scum bags and you come across their foreign compatriots you going to get guard them or set off to kill more of the bastards?
And yet still no quote to show where I said anything about Ukraine forces in general being "bad guys". Nor even any quote or post which even implies equivalence between Ukraine's Armed Forces and Russia's Armed Forces. I've even explained my position yet again over the last page or so; and you're still arguing the toss over it.
But sure keep on arguing with the voices in your head.
Implied where might I add. Contributors, this is where the thread is being de-railed. This sort of nonsense.
Classic example of projecting one's rabidness on others. Do anyone here shout at others with caps? You are strangly emotionally invested.
Your actual words aren't important enough to search, but you said you posted the Ukrainian actions to show not all Ukrainians were 'good guys'.
It was only a couple of pages back, so everyone remembers it. You're bordering on Comical Ali levels at this stage.
Apologies for my part in it; but I don't like being called pro-Kremlin or having stances or opinions attributed to me which I have never stated nor implied.
The EU sanctions should hurt Russia but the rumblings out of Brussels today haven't been great.
They're talking about "technical" problems concerning existing contracts. I'm worried they might do the usual and let existing contracts complete but only prevent new contracts being entered into. In other words likely to be no immediate pain for Russia.
As for Putin and Lavrov's relatives I mean surely they rarely leave Russia anyway? And Putin can get his hands on whatever luxuries they might desire I'm sure; so not likely to actually hurt them.
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