The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Double chargers will be far less busy per charger than single sites. At gorey it makes no financial sense as some business will go to ionity even if they have 2 chargers. Financially they would be better on other sites with less competition like sites without Tesla and ionity, but grid then may be an issue. They could load share with existing supply if the charger has the feature. I think esb also want matching government funding or similar, they don't want to go providing more at their own expense. They may be disorganised and incompetent too. Not providing a backup AC charger on the M1 motorway services when cabling is in place is really giving the 2 fingers up to users. It's probably one of the busiest sites in the country. Even easygo have said double 50kW+ chargers don't make financial sense at most sites. I would be happy to pay a premium at such sites
No it doesnt. If you approach an ioniq28 on the default settings without the key you cannot remove the ccs connector if charging is finished. Both my Ioniqs behaved in this way. I also observed similar behavior on the app for other cars on DC that were plugged in but not charging - the app showed as available even though you could not remove the plug physically. Most CCS cars lock the cable to the car if the car is locked - as part of the type2 prototocl. Zoe is the same, it's plugged in not charging on fastAC, the app will show as available even though you cannot remove the plug from the car.
The only time you can for sure remove a plug from a car that is plugged in not charging is on Chademo.
@ELM327 - but the Ioniq actually disconnects from the DC charger at 94%, so it looks to the ESB software (correctly) like the car is no longer connected. Even though of course the car is still taking up the parking space. Which they can not check. If you leave a car AC charging, it is still connected (whether you are actually charging or not) and you will get the overcharge fee. Unless of course if you physically disconnect the cable
This is based on how their software works. Its the same on DC. I can never be charged the overstay fee on DC as on a 50kW our only current EV (an Ioniq28) takes 30-35 minutes from 0% to full. (94% where it shuts off on DC). I tested this at a services late at night when no one was around. Stayed plugged in not charging until 51 minutes but no overstay. The connector shows as available in the app if someone is plugged in but not charging. It does the same for AC. Hence why I say this overstay fee will likely never be charged on AC and it's just posturing.
Energy prices are largely dictated by the price of the last MWh, the wholesale market gets paid based on the most expensive supplier for the time interval.
Are we sure about that, if so ecars has made a mistake as no car will take 10hrs to charge so no overstay fee. They must have some way of knowing car is still plugged in on AC - if so that is how they can charge the overstay fee. If not then the €8 on AC is null and void as will never happen.
If you start at 9pm and finish 8 hours later at 5am and move the car at 10am, you wont be hit with the overstay fee. The overstay fees for ecars only apply if the car is actively charging.
On a whole, the last 30 days has been 39% renewables.
30kWh Leaf takes less than 10hrs to fully charge, will also be ~10%+ degradation by now
What % of Electricity for charging do ESB Claim to have come from renewables.......as someone said elsewhere, the sun or the wind havn't become more expensive.
Unless you have one of those, it's likely that you wont be hit by this overstay.
The likely impact will be people overnight charging on AC, if I use an AC charger at 9pm, I either need to move the car at 1am or by 7am. It would change my charging behaviour.
But that would be socialism 😂
What car would even take 10 hours on AC. The only ones I can think of are the likes of big battery OEM cars with 7kW onboard chargers. Early Kona, EQC both had battery and only 7 kW onboard charger. Oh... and the 30kWh leaf came with a 3.3kW as standard.
Just make sure you are not actively charging longer than 10 hours and you'll be fine. The overstay fee is only applied if you are actively charging... not plugged in and not charging... longer than the threshold. Assuming it's implemented the same way as the existing DC one is.
Yes and as mentioned anyone who charges at a train station while in work. Short delay could cost €8.
Night time charging is not incentivised and should be due to electricity's lower carbon intensity at night. Subscribers should be allowed avail of a low cost night rate. Folks without home charger using 50kW DC during peak periods won't reduce the country's CO2 emissions as much as night charging on average.
Oh and PHEVs can stay for ten hours guilt free :-)
This is the point where we'd need government to step in and tell Applegreen to sh1t or get off the pot.
Which will absolutely never happen
In fairness, eCars have had the opportunity for years to improve the situation & we've seen how well they've done.
Can Applegreen do any worse? They'll invariably do better & given charging costs are close to 50c/kWh now, at a minimum, & with thousands of new EVs appearing on the roads here, there'll be profit in it.
I see it as a good move.
When CircleK start putting resources in here, things will start to move more quickly. Well, as quickly as ESBN allow grid connections/upgrades!
I don't think we'll ever find the true answer, but that's certainly the rumour. It also fits the pattern. We've not seen any eCars site upgrades at Applegreen sites such as the M1 service stations, Girdserve also ran into the same issue with Welcome Break sites in the UK, where they blocked expansion and recently started installing their own Applegreen branded chargers.
What we'd need to know though is it AppleGreen blocking eCars installing more units at existing sites, or are eCars simply not interested in upgrading these sites?
I'm guessing it's the latter
(It would make sense for Applegreen to allow more chargers be installed, potentially meaning the sites get the required network upgrades on someone else's dollar, and then when the operating lease with eCars is up, kick them off site and install their own chargers).
Applegreen have a 15 year license to operate the TII sites, they effectively control the site until the tender comes up for renewal.
No driveway- no EV IMO.?
I rarely use public chargers so I'd rather they be more available than cheap.
Rereg nonsense.
Which would be exactly the wrong way for Govt and ESB eCars to plan things.
Because if we move to EVs only in new cars then you are effectively saying some people who currently own cars can't have cars at all.
Charging networks should be for all EV drivers to use as needed regardless of whether you do 1 percent of charging in public or 100 percent.
The correct answer is an increased strengthened network that meets all requirements
Joined to spread the good word. 🤣
Doubt anyone would agree that the price increase is good. Overstays fee increase maybe could be good (but IMO that's treating the symptom not the problem of a lack of chargers). Giving room for more competition to join the market?... maybe, but ESB will still be by far the cheapest.
What it does do is make owning an EV without a driveway even less appealing (the savings are much less from May). Petrol/Diesel prices change on the daily, and go up and down. Eventually they always trend up, but I guarantee electric car charging prices won't be decreased by ESB, they'll only ever go up.
My guess is that ESB aren't putting 50kW units in the spaces because they might put a 150kW unit there instead
What they really should be doing is installing two of those 200kW units they have at Tuam
This is not the case at the TII sites in any case.
I'm guessing as a Tesla owner you're seeing the Tesla rate and not the pleb rates?
I'm guessing Tesla haven't raised prices yet since it would be all over the headlines everywhere if they did
You open the app, find the charge point and then swipe the blue bar go the right to start the charge.
That's what I did the only time I've used the app.
Tesla regularly update prices, but there's no website with costs, they can only be seen in the car or App
Has Tesla raised their prices in the UK or mainland Europe yet ?
ive always used my card with ecars but today was in a different car so tried to use my phone - when i was tapping my phone kept popping up google pay by default. is there a way to enable ecars card as rfid on android or was this a user error on my part?
