It is, however no exclusion is going to be enacted against asylum seekers looking to go into further education as it would serve no purpose. It would be a punishment for the sake of a punishment, nothing more
Michael Mcdomhaill gave a statement to the dail with regards the first wave of bogus nigerian applicants back in the day. Over 90% had their application hearing rejection and their 1st appeal rejection within 6 months. So scammers. So should not be rewarded and should be gone but for a weak state, legal professionals and advicacy groups.
Finding the speech now is difficult. It has been memory holed. Any poster help
Here is a newspaper article that didnt get scrubbed from the search engine
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/mcdowell-rubbishes-tall-stories-of-some-asylum-seekers-25985727.html
Try kildare street
KildareStreet.com is a searchable archive of everything that's been said in the Dáil and all written parliamentary questions since January 2004, everything in the Seanad since September 2002, and all Committee meetings since September 2012.
As for what MMD said, well, there's a reason he didn't get re-elected
Yeh. Cannot find it. Interesting search engine. A .com address too.
Again, you're dodging. These are not approved Asylum seekers. These are asylum seekers who have been denied their initial, secondary, and possibly other appeals.. all the while they're supported by the State, and given financial support to be educated at Irish universities.. and not simply a Bachelor degree but a masters which tends to set normal people back quite a bit of money to do.
In fact, I know quite a few Irish people who would love to get a Masters but either can't afford it, either due to the time (since they need to work) or the costs involved.
Asylum seekers who have been approved in their application should be given everything they need (comparable to working class families) to start their lives, and gain access to the same services/supports that Irish people do. Anyone in the appeal process should not be extended those same services/supports except for the most basic finances/supports needed to live here. Anything else should come out of their pocket.
You seem to think all Asylum seekers wash up on our shores wearing only their clothes, and nothing else. There's been a variety of Asylum seekers who have had bank accounts, along with businesses in their own country which managed to chug along without them, or financing coming from relations abroad. Asylum is meant to be given to those special cases that genuinely need the help, and protection.
Again, you seem to have more interest and support for those who scam the system, rather than the people who genuinely need the help.
Where do you have a fundamental right to housing?
Anyone have any idea what course she did or what funding the lady actually got?
Yeah dead handy. Run by a right character who the govt tried to shut down a few times. In the end they tried to get him to sign an NDA and keep access to the Dail data feeds if he stopped moaning about them. Instead, he released all the code to a repository entitled "shoveyourNDAupyourhole" or something like that lol. In the end the govt gave up and gave him and others free, unrestricted access to the dail feeds.
Well Mark, I did not "magic" your comment to me that as a Catholic my thinking processes ( or words to that effect) might be below par purely because I believed in God. And you remembered it too when you admitted "you may have made such a comment in the context of Immigration etc.". So its your comment you can find it and then we will see what was actually said.
Still not a good enough reason to deny access to education. Thankfully the govt agrees with me
no, it would be responsibly enable citizens to get educated, taxpayers.
That can also be done by recouping govt funding from people who don't need it, e.g. pensioners with massive fortunes who don't need medical cards etc
Well said those who have worked hard, saved accordingly and contributed to the economic success of Ireland deserve nothing from the state.
What absolute morons, they should have spent their savings on hookers and drugs, then they could get a medical card
Good lord, are you really that incapable of dealing with what has been written.
For the last time (third time is a charm, they say), access to education is not being denied, nor is there any attempt to do so. The expectation is on the person to provide their own funding for third level education, especially that of advanced degrees which tend to be expensive for normal people. Failed Asylum seekers or those under appeals should not be extended the financial support from the State to do that education.. they can provide it for themselves, or the NGOs can cough up the costs (without using State funds).
Oh, and the government doesn't agree with you. You agree with the actions of the govt. There's a rather important distinction there.
You are not dealing with my reasons.. you're deflecting, dodging, dismissing again and again without actually responding to what has been written.
And.. I'm finished trying to engage with you.. Unless you're willing and able to extend respect to other posters who attempt to discuss topics with you, which you've not done by the manner of your posting.
Well.. the clock is ticking for all native people, except for the protected minorities. TBH I'm quite curious when we're going to see the pushback, and the likely violence that occurs when people realise that their future has been mortgaged, with the govt defaulting on their responsibilities, so that our population can be made more diverse. The Banking crash failed to rouse the Irish people to appropriate anger, but I suspect the consequences of these beliefs (such as DaCor projects here) will raise a far greater response. It's a pity it will come too late to change anything, and our economy ends up similar to Greece, or Portugal, along with the associated drop in living standards, and social unrest.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Key and address please.
Looks like taking in Ukrainian refugees can be a problem it was to be expected .
.I wonder how are 35k going to be built seems to be no problem for refugees .
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ukrainian-refugees-returned-temporary-accommodation-26640634?utm_source=irish_mirror_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email
I think people had the right intentions but…
opening your door, property, life to people whom you’ve never seen, who are fleeing the biggest most sorrowful, stressful and sad of things to happen on this continent in our time is got to be a challenge and a half….
the UDHR is not a legally binding document, nor does it state you have a fundamental right to housing.
So no address, no keys for you 😊
And do you know what this lady studied or how she applied or how it was paid for?
And UN it's a joke anyway. Fair enough then.
Wheres your evidence she made a false claim?
Well I'll give you one.
She didn't apply in the first safe country she reached as we don't have direct flights from Nigeria.
So her application will have. "A man called John took my passport" after she got on a flight from the continent.
So there.. a false claim based on geography alone.
Can you point out the law that states an asylum seekers must claim asylum in the first date country they arrive to?
Nope.
There isnt a requirement for an asylum seeker to apply for asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. So nothing false there.
The Dublin 2 regulation states that but it has since been plundered to the point of being meaningless .
What might be more appropriate to ask given the Russian pull back , 90% is free from conflict where exactly are these refugees coming from ? I think for some it’s a golden opportunity.
Agreed.
The Dublin Regulations allows one EU state to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply. this is to ensure that no member states has disproportionate responsibility for asylum seekers. It is to ensure that people don't make multiple claims in different countries.
There is no rule requiring asylum seekers to claim in the first country they arrive.
She claimed asylum on the basis of “domestic abuse”. That is not a reason to leave your country and travel 7374kms for asylum.
This brings up the position of someone who has come into another EU country or the UK using either a false passport or a false visa and have remained there for a period of time . The reason being until records of entry are destroyed .They have then come to Ireland and claimed asylum they should not be accepted and returned . The fact no direct flights are from countries where people seek asylum shows a lack of control and cooperation.
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