If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
You admitted yourself that opinion polls are worthless haha.
The equivalent of "Jimmy Dory says I'm right."
If you believed in Ireland abolishing neutrality, you'd be typing from Ukraine.
Alas, you're comfy having never experienced the atrocity of war, hence why so many want to flee.
Except of course,the poll was taken same week russia invaded and was massing troops on the border for weeks previously
Seems a bit like throwing baby out with the bathwater,based on an single opioion poll in the sindo,
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Ah the old 'why don't you pick up a rifle and head for Kyiv' riposte! I was wondering when that old postman would come knocking.
You could have just posted, "I'm full out of ideas here" and be done with it.
Well, you want to send others. It's absolutely a cogent point.
Its a 100% reasonable point though?
Plenty irish out there and plenty irish travelled to help.the kurds vs isis
Easy to big up nato etc,but any war will be fought on the ground and ends in peace negociations
I'm agnostic actually at this stage as regards the troubles,meaning I've moved on
Once upon at time,when those things were in the here and now,I'd have been outraged,tbh
In a 2022 context,big picture here,versus Russia,We're living in heaven in Ireland
Freedom heaven
Anyone who thinks an invader wanting the UK will not come here first has not read WW 2 history
Operation Green was supposed to be countered by Plan W
Whether you are for neutrality or not ..i would hasten to add the assumption or argument that neutrality is morally superior is simply not true.
It's the total **** opposite.
Any country that invades Ireland will have invaded the UK
The battle of hastings was a long time ago. No it would be the other way around in modern warfare.
Even in ancient times it happened the vikings ..the french in 1760..the spanish in 1601 was really all about that.
And the Polynesians discovered South America
Did they indeed? I will take your word for it.
Operation green was a real thing ...so was plan W and our govt agreed to it because they were told if they didnt the british govt would invade ireland FIRST.
You missed Ireland off the list of belligerents in Afghanistan by the way.
Just paint Éire on every mountain top, that'll do the trick.
What like the American imperialism that brings ten of thousands of jobs and billions in dollar investments to Ireland. Is that the American imperialism you are talking about?
The inducement has worked. More than a thousand big, mostly American global companies have operations in Ireland, among them: Google, Apple, Facebook, PayPal, Microsoft, Yahoo, eBay, AOL, Twitter and Intel. Pfizer, Boston Scientific and Johnson & Johnson also have a major presence there. Between them, these firms bring enormous economic benefits to the country.
“The multinationals are a critical, crucial, essential part of our economy,” said Tony Foley, economics professor at Dublin City University Business School.
“These companies account for 90 percent of all our manufactured exports, employ around 10 percent of the workforce and they helped pull Ireland out of the eurozone debt crisis. Without the multinationals, we would be much closer to Greece and Portugal than we would like to think,” Foley said.
So put your money where your mouth is and start a campaign for all these American imperialists to get out of Ireland
Some of the posters on here really reminded me of this
What has business got to do with it?
Are you saying these are controlled by the US government?
Maybe you should read more (or even some)
American imperialism consists of policies aimed at extending the political, economic and cultural influence of the United States over areas beyond its boundaries. Depending on the commentator, it may include military conquest, gunboat diplomacy, unequal treaties, subsidization of preferred factions, economic penetration through private companies followed by a diplomatic or forceful intervention when those interests are threatened, or regime change.
Are we threatening those 'interests'?
Are you saying we owe them something because they make huge profits here?
Mod - several off topic posts deleted and a number of posters warned. Stick to the thread topic please
No I am saying that you are against American imperialism (Nato) while at the same time being in favour of American imperialism (FDI).
Pick a side.
Wha?
I am against the US using NATO for their own agenda. If turning a blind eye to that is the price of having US multinationals here then that 'deal' was signed without my approval and I am sure most peoples.
pick a side
Here's where the rubber meets the road. What 'agenda' are you actually talking about here? This is rhetorical because you'll inevitably answer with something bland, opaque and meaningless as 'imperialism'.
The hard facts of the matter is that Europe needs the US in NATO far more than the US needs to be in Europe.
European defence structures and cohesion would crack and likely crumble without the US.
This precise scenario has been policy gamed by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/11/european-security-in-crisis-what-to-expect-if-the-united-states-withdraws-from-nato/
It's not pretty reading for Europe if the US packed up and went home.
You're in dreamworld if (and I believe you do think this way) you think Europe minus the US military presence will lead to Europe hitting the peace pipe from the Urals to the Atlantic. The exact opposite is the more likely outcome.
You prattle on in a conspiratorial agendas and empty rhetoric of 'imperialism', when the actual reality is that the US has largely footed the bill for, and locked-in the continent's security for nigh on 75 years.
You should seriously meditate what the fallout would be for Europe with out US NATO presence. You won't do it because you have a undergraduate's dunderheaded perspective on how the world works.
Why would I need to 'pick a side'?
I know that I have certainly had my mind changed over the past few months when it comes to Irish neutrality. We are not neutral politically and An Taoiseach has stated as such in terms of Russian's invasion of Ukraine and I am of the opinion we should drop our military neutrality as well. Personally I would like to see us be full partners in a new EU defense force as a first step.
I never mentioned imperialism.
I'll just meditate on what is wrong Yurt and give my opinion on it.
A poll in tomorrow's Business Post shows 48% of the Irish public back joining NATO.
Excellent, times really are changing.
Not so good on neutrality though
30% favour dropping neutrality; 57% oppose
Join Nato and stop relying on the Brits to defend us?
Surely any good Irish republican would be against such a notion 😂
Didn't look at what Kermit is referring to, but if these are results of 2 questions from the same sample, it looks like Irish public knows extremely little as regards these matters...
Not surprising since (I think - could be wrong and someone correct me if I am) it is a very, very long time since public had cause to really consider them here (during and then maybe also just after WW2??).
It came up (somewhat) during Lisbon referendum of course in context of the mutual defence/aid to other EU members aspects of treaty but afair of the campaign there wasn't alot of honesty or very clear debate about it or relationship with EU membership in future.
The noisiest/most visible stuff then was anti-EU side using an imagined future EU army + conscription of your kids/grandkids for it as a way to generate some FUD in the electorate around voting "yes", and throw a bomb into the middle of debate.
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