If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Exactly.
The key to any opinion poll is in the framing of the question.
What about the 'Glorious Emergency' or the 'Great Emergency'? 😁
Maybe the Indo knew they wouldn't get the answer they wanted if they asked - 'Do you want to end neutrality'.
The joys of opinion polling, Francie.
Get the answer you want, not the answer you need.
The War Against the Microbes was Emergency II.
We could have armed neutrality like switzerland👌
Having a million plus people armed and trained in arms fire and explosives,will do alot more to protext eire,than any amount of entangling oursevles in forgien wars,which have nothing to do with us
Also gives bonus of basic training for anyone who wants to join volunteer legions to play war aboard
I think NATO are little more than the armed wing of American imperialism but the whole Gorbachev/NATO 'agreement' is far more nuanced than made out.
The desire not to engage militarily is also far stronger among younger people: 80pc of those aged 18-24 do not want to engage militarily
I don't think a referendum would have a chance to be honest. Am I (In my 50's) gonna vote to send young people to war, who patently don't want to? Not a hope, whatever I think of neutrality.
Also - why did they ask the question that way? 'Out of Date' could mean anything.
Its a difficult one,if any countries want to join they should be allowed (russia included)
Just i dont feel its a good fit for eire
Your first seven words said it all.
I did you the courtesy of reading the rest of your post and, surprise-surprise, nothing else to back it up.
"Like all opinion polling, health warnings applys, but I'm going to ignore all health warnings."
Compelling.
So basically you have the CND loving lefties who will just take an anti war stance, they won't drift from that idealogical position while the shinners and fellow nationalist carriers, it's a no if the UK are involved. This is of course NATO we're talking about.
If there's another war do we get to call it the Emergency again? Perhaps, the Emergency - the Sequel.
I wouldn't trust any NATO members, especially after they reneged on their agreement with Gorbachev not to move NATO an inch past the East German border.
Like all opinion polling, health warnings apply, but I'm satisfied this poll reveals you're overegging the pudding on Irish people's doctrinaire adherence to our current woolly neutrality.
49% of respondents believe Irish neutrality is out of date, 44% believe it isn't.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/poll-sands-beginning-to-shift-on-irish-neutrality-41416077.html
A prime mover in NATO that we are asked to trust.
The British don't elect their Prime Minister or any other government ministers, and we don't elect our PM or ministers to the Dail, both form their own governments which are rarely held accountable. We elect our President but he has very little practical power.
Nobody was held accountable for the Guildford 4, Maguire 7 & Birmingham 6, the senior Judge said it would have been better to let them rot instead of dragging "the good name of British justice" through the mud.
"The western flank"
"Nail colours to the mast"
"Cowardly"
"Cheap"
"Grow up"
"Neutrality is over"
Here you go, Rambo's bollocks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Legion_of_Territorial_Defense_of_Ukraine
Send us a selfie from Mariupol and we might take you seriously.
Back in the real world, convincing Irish people to abandon neutrality is the greatest battle you'll partake in.
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Because the government introducing such laws is elected
The way things are going in the UK poll wise,it could be turfed out
What you're describing is something disagreeable,which it is
Its not Moscow style unaccountability though,youth get a mug of polonium tea with it
We are of course talking about legitimate democratically elected directly accountable government controlled defence forces
Not anything else here
Defending yourself against an aggressor is not the same as starting a war
Fighting off an invader is not aggression,its defense
Thats what a club like NATO does,it's a group scheme for defense
I dont see how equating getting involved with wars,which have nothing to do with us,is now regarded as "mature",seems a bit of a misnomer tbh
What exaxtly do you preceive an eu army being involved in?,what i preceive it getting involved in along europes border and internally is not something i think ireland (or any civilised country) should be doing anyway
Dress it up in rethoric and dogma all yous want,but yous havnt provided any facts and logic to support your position
If it is joining a European alliance then the people will decide. If you adopt that attitude in the campaign ('grow up') I don't fancy your chances.
The world is entering a new phase of conflict. It's a war we'll be part of one way or another. Our European neighbours will not tolerate fecklessness in terms of defence on their western flank and they will expect every country to nail the colours to the mast whether that means joining NATO or not.
We won't get away with being cowardly and cheap any longer. Spongers aren't liked generally but when the interests of others are at stake you'll find out just how much they aren't liked.
And it's not before time. We should have grown up long a go.
"Military neutrality" is over for Ireland. It's just a matter of when it's formalised.
Il let yous into a secret....ffg have zero intention of joining nato,its a sop to their extremly naive base,
and basically an attempt to control narrative as they made an utter balls of covid and its running rampant,and they cant control cost of living....so ultimaely its a politically advantagous distraction
Micheal martin has no interest in becoming a latter day john redmond and sending irish off to die in forgien wars
Boris johnson was severly wounded and looked touch and go as regards survival over his covid partirs,until media had a war to fall and row in behind him over
Germans and french are happy to distract as they arent ready for the ecb to raise interest rates and cool inflation,causing an econmic slowdown coming out of covid
one thing sure as fcuk,none of em beyond a superficial level care on the ordinary ukrainins,as they let russia do exact same for years in syria to like of homs etc.......
whole thing is a media storm,dreamt up by the editor of the sun,which deosnt stand up scrutiny
Why is the issue of us joining NATO about me Mark?
Do you think that slinging some invective at me is going to help your cause?
Stick to the post not the poster please.
Yes, you know it all Francie, no need to add or grow at all at all....
Tomorrow you will be back spouting some new shite. It's like debating different people tbh.
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