It's hard to respond to drivel like this. Where are they claiming to be 12-14? The amount of accusations that get thrown around just because the lads are not white. You're claiming that these lads are claiming to be 12-14. You have zero proof of this and lets be honest you just made it up didn't you? Like the lad who just made up that they were fake scammers when they could very well be Ukrainian citizens. It's a sad stage where people just make up lies about people, purely on the basis that the people are not white, and it goes unchallenged. But that's what this thread is all about and it's been going on for a long time on here.
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Your beliefs that these reviews are suddenly happening because of the Ukrainian situation is not at all based on fact. They have been happening for years.
Agreed. We spend way too much in social welfare payments. They should all be audited regularly.
Particularly disability, that appears to be the biggest spend
Actually its not always from the same pot. Often with refugee situations the money comes from the EU rather than directly from Irish taxpayers funds.
I don’t, 40 billion since 1972… 40 billion in 49 years.
In 2020, €58.2 billion was spent on social protection in Ireland, a 20% increase on the 2019 spend of €48.4 billion.
They’re claiming to be 12-14 year olds as Ukrainian men have to stay and fight. Enabling these con artists does nothing to help Ukraine, it only takes up much needed space. Would you be happy with these grown men in school with your kids pretending to be children?
Nope.
Occupational therapy does not come from the same budget that mica remedies comes from does not come from the same budget that refugee funding comes from.
Different budgets. Plenty of money in the country. There is a management issue, not a lack of money.
based ALL on fact…unless she’d had a win on the lotto or inherited a vast amount…. they will know from her records….She hasn’t worked… therefore without earning money her circumstances have not changed a jot… she needs the payment last week, she will still require it this…
dragging her up in front of a state employee to justify herself is a waste of state resources. And stressful for the person…
she has to justify 200 and whatever, yet others arriving receiving medical cards, housing, cash that there will be little will or want to relieve them of…
both my parents, ‘80’s, retired, both with medical conditions, relieved of medical cards. Having to pay colossal health insurance…
the overriding reasoning increase in population due to multiculturalism and our lack of ability to control our borders.
according to data from the OECD the national household per-capita disposable income NOW is actually lower than the overall EU member countries’ average… it will remain so or get worse if we cannot control our assets, wealth and resources…which we cannot…
the phrase cut your cloth to meet your measure comes to mind…. But when someone else is holding the scissors… not possible, our wellbeing is being torn to shreds due to the ongoing multiculturalism or multicultural-ization of the state…
am I against helping ? NO, but when you cannot decide yourself when that door is open closed, who comes in, who doesn’t, then it’s futile.
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So you know they are not Ukrainian because of the colour of their skin?
Can you tell the same in Ireland? Can you tell an Irish person by the colour of their skin?
Do you have the figures since 1972?
Also, if Ireland hadn't been given all the EU assistance in the beginning, we would never be the country we are today
The mica homes n autistic specialists will have less chance of funding now that the government is spending billions on Ukrainians. The money for each issue comes from the one pot. It's fairly basic stuff really.
How do you know they are not Ukrainian citizens? You're posting videos from that guy an expecting to be taken seriously. You don't know anything about those Asian lads but they are a good target because of how they look. Your issue is that you consume idiotic videos like that and actually think that is normal behaviour and a great video to be posting which says it all.
Ok... The video doesn't show that there's Indian men pretending to be from Ukraine.
The source tarnished themselves so what they recorded isn't real.
That's some great logic.
You can disregard the video, but anyone who can make up their own mind using their own mind and sense will take it for what it is.
You cant expect us to take you seriously when you are presenting us with videos from abusive racist scumbags like Philip Dwyer
It doesn't matter a jot who he is. He's not talking into the camera saying he saw "X, Y and Z".
He's standing outside with a camera and four Indian men claim to be from Ukraine. I can make my own determinations to the truth based on that.
Well we certainly won't have some woke character down there making sure they're all genuine will we.
As I said earlier. Classic them V Us. Everything bad that happens in Ireland is immigrants fault to some here.
Source: A bullying racist who was chucked out of the National Party for being too extremist, who has been convicted of animal abuse and breaking a mans jaw as well as sacked by An Post for abusing and threatening to kill customers animals.
The net number after you subtract what they gave us vs what we put in, since 1972, is +40 billion for us.
You don't think that +40 billion had any impact at all on contributing to the welfare system that we developed and have today?
Your beliefs and your cousins beliefs are not based on any truth or facts.
This happens all the time. People in my family have had to get bank statements before for similar reviews. This has been happening for years. There is no conspiracy to take people off welfare because of the Ukrainian situation. The DSP in this situation is doing what it has always done; routine checks.
I'm not using the video, I skipped through it.
I'm using nothing but the fact that four Asian men are standing outside claiming to be Ukrainian.
I don't need to hear anything in it, or listen to the makers views.
I can determine from my own eyes that yet again the Department of Justice have no interest in using the processes in place.
Or what part of my argument can't be taken seriously?.
you think ? Interesting… we’ve played a massive part in the overall success of the EU…
Ireland in 2018 is the second highest gross contributor per capita in the EU also, despite being a smallish nation…
We've taken farrrr more than we've put in, by a long gap
Next excuse?
Our welfare system wasn’t created by the EU.
and we’ve payed millions and probably billions in fees to the EU as members….played a proactive part in its success.
now we're on to blaming immigrants for the metro delays, jesus wept lol
People have to be audited if they are on welfare. It's common sense. I do agree that there are people working in deasp who clearly get enjoyment from humiliating and looking down on welfare receipients. No doubt about it and everyone who has had to deal with them is well aware that the job does seem to attract a high percentage of those kinds of people but what can you do. Also, if we didn't get 40 billion euro from the EU to upgrade the country, the welfare system wouldn't be what it is. So for someone talking about the detriments of the EU, you sure do like the welfare system that it helped create.
That ‘should’ be considered fraud. with the penalties applied as necessary.
however in Ireland now it would just be fellas ‘ chancing their arm ‘ … ‘ sure why arnt they entitled to it ‘…
living and wellbeing standards of taxpayers have fallen and will continue to do so.
we don’t have
politicians have admitted that further metro expansion for the second and third lines won’t be ‘considered’ till after 2035…’considered’.
The minute a credible political force commit to prioritising the wellbeing of taxpayers they’ll have the trust of the people and remain in power…. Might be a wait though.
What you believe and the truth appear to be galaxies apart
You actually used a video by that guy to make an argument and you expect to be taken seriously?
Great level of debate…anyway
i don’t believe it’s a check / verification… neither does our other cousin who up to a year ago, worked for said government department.. it’s likely being done on the basis that they want her off this payment as they do others to enable more ability for OUR government to look after non citizens and non taxpayers, which they are and will be doing much more of.
not a coincidence and the timing, pandemic, it’s absolutely lousy….
has to go about printing bank statements, letter from GP and something I won’t mention but which will give them two fingers and enable the entitlement to remain.
I’ve empathy for the Ukrainians but our country and it’s people to try to absorb a 4% population increase over a few weeks and provide all those people with accommodation, money, healthcare etc…
is basically fûcking our citizens under the bus…but we’ve become used to that.
I was sent this earlier. The bulk of the video isn't anything worth watching but the screen shot from the video not playing is the issue.
Yet again, the Department of Justice show themselves incapable and unwilling to apply our immigration laws. Four Indian guys standing outside the reception centre where the Ukrainians are being hosted and saying they're from Donesk.
I suppose for a lot of us here, this is why we're worried about this crisis. It's not that we have any issue with the nuts and bolts of what's being done(helping a set number for a certain period of time), it's that for twenty years the Department of Justice has shown a complete lack of willingness to apply our laws.
If any other Department acted outside of the laws and processes would there not be a tribunal where the Sec General and higher staff are made to explain why they aren't following the guidelines?.
Imagine if Social Welfare refused 20k claims over twenty years but only actually cut the money off a few hundred of that number... Would questions not be asked?.
It's hardly a coincidence to me that living standards here have slipped in the last twenty years which runs parallel to the DP process.
The system where no matter who comes in, from where, for what reason and does whatever when they're here... Never get deported.
I would LOVE if our lovely Justice minister ended up with this four in her house after she said she'd "consider" taking in some.
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