Its partially based on GDP as well as population so our inflated figures are fecking us. Countries like Spain with lower gdps will end up with a lesser percentage.
If a foreign national is/gets pregnant and has a child here in Ireland is that child guaranteed Irish citizenship?
Children born in Ireland on or after 1 January 2005 are entitled to Irish citizenship if one of their parents are Irish or one of their parents are legally resident in the island of Ireland for 3 out of 4 years immediately prior to birth. Periods of legal residency as an asylum-seeker or on a student visa do not qualify for these purposes.
If a foreign national is/gets pregnant and has a child here in Ireland is that child guaranteed Irish citizenship? And if they depart Ireland will that child still be entitled to Children's allowence untill they are 18 from the state? Will be relevent to the current refugee influx if it does turn out to be 200k.
If a refugee is in receipt of social welfare they are subject to the same checks as anyone else. Obviously
No the government are not doing that. There has always been checks on social welfare recipients. Seems perfectly reasonable to reasonable people I would think
Depending on the scope of the report and the day its drafted, your going to get varying numbers as the situation is very much in flux.
That being said, the links below are what I pulled up from a quick search.
For specific country numbers, you'll want to do a specific search for that info
Nothing wrong with that as long as refugees are subject to the same checks as to their means , agree?
As our government is predicting we’ll have to take in 200,000 Ukrainians can we assume they’re trying to soften us up so that if “only” 100,000 arrives then it’s no big deal?
Is there any way of finding out how many Ukrainians our fellow Europeans are taking? Eg Denmark, a similar size or the likes of much bigger countries like France and Spain? Are the likes of Spain and Portugal going to take over their hotels as the holiday season approaches?
There are literally dozens of wars / conflicts in the world at present.
the reality is this country isn’t of the ability to help everyone. Nor should it be.. it’s tasked with helping its citizens and taxpayers but that is a reality, a reasonable reality lost on people. Or some people.
No, I don’t believe without evidence against them people should be dragged up in front on some individual with zero medical training who will be of the ability to decide if they need or should be in continuous receipt of a payment which they according to medical professionals, will need for a time longer until they are of the ability to return to work.
an individual who may have savings, are they supposed to spend all their savings on light, heat, food, rent and on the possibility that when the money runs out that social welfare people deem they qualify then for assistance ? :)
the government are simply trying to reassign money to / for this thousands upon thousands of new arrivals of which a certain percentage will remain here…
Do explain
No, facts are important. There is a world of difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.
Splitting hairs, you know what I meant
Refugees always had the right to work. Asylum seekers didn't.
Its worth remembering, that for the longest time refugees could not work by design i.e. the system prohibited them from doing so and this only started to change after the govt where challenged in court and lost.
I think the point worth considering is that even if every refugee was to go on welfare for just two months, enough time to find work (which is doubtful considering demand, skill-sets and language restrictions), that two month period for two hundred thousand people would cost an absolute fortune, because of the extra costs of providing services to refugees, from housing to psychiatric care (PTSD).
It's far more likely that refugees will remain on welfare for an extended period (-6 months) before finding adequate employment that provides the income needed to be independent, and even then, likely there will be a need for supplementary income supports (and it's questionable whether they will be able to afford or even find independent rental properties, and so, remain a drain on social housing).
So, should we consider that refugees will work, and will seek to become financially independent, what kind of cost is that to the State? Even in the short term, it's a rather heavy investment of resources, and will require an expansion of our international debt, because we both know our government will not seek to provide supports by cutting corners.
Great, how many can we squeeze into your place? Sure you could share your room with the rest of your family and squeeze a few families in your other rooms. Then feed them out of your own pocket, sure it’s the right thing to do?
Odessa is a known scam hub. It was one of the major credit card laundering locations. It’s involvement in credit card fraud is well known going back years. When I heard it mentioned as an art and comedy location on the news I had to laugh. The only artist there are conartists. If anyone read darkmarket by Misha Glenny it should be bringing back memories.
Ireland has a very high standard of living. I didn’t realise how poor places like southern Italy were until I was there. Salaries here are far over Southern European standards. The idea that you can take in this influx of refugees during a time of market instability and not having consequences to the standard of services and welfare is lunacy. You can expect a social welfare cut not far off and more health service issues too.
I see the opposition eventually is asking for an estimate on the cost of all this.
I also wonder how many offers will last when people have screaming kids running around their home with PTSD. It’s fine for most peoples people short term but months or years latter I wonder how many will be so generous.
Not shutting down the discussion, merely pointing out the decision has been made already, they will have a 3 year visa, full access to employment, health and education services
As for the exact visa type, I'm guessing its a stamp 4 ( that would match the above) but it could be something else, they haven't released specifics as far as I am aware. If its stamp 4 then yes, the time in residence is reckonable towards a citizenship application. Personally, I have no issue with that. It they wish to become full citizens let them, it will make zero difference in what they can access / contribute
I never heard anyone say all refugees are on welfare, just plenty of studies show that a disproportionate number are.
Cost of living is higher here than ukraine- bad day you don't learn something! U may find wages n welfare are higher here too Mark.
So we got 40 billion n now owe 240 billion- sounds great!
Is 200k refugees enough Mark or should we be doing more? Never know , maybe next week it will be more anyhow!
We'll considering I lived in the Balkans which I have mentioned many times, yes I know many people who returned home after their wars, It is their home after all.
What other laws do you like to see broken?? Drink Driving? Assault?
Throw up a list there so we know what laws Mark isn't bothered with.
I think most refugees will want to work and most will work. It's a narrative that certain people with agendas like to spew that the refugees are all on social welfare. The cost of living in Ireland is far higher than what they will be used to in Ukraine. I know a few Ukrainians who were actually here illegally before all this started and they didn't paint a great picture of the country. It's probably where you'd expect Ireland to be if we didn't join the EU and get 40 billion euro to improve the country as a whole. I'm sure many will return to their countries but many will see Ireland, and virtually any other western non eastern european country as an attractive place to settle. Fair play to them and I wish them all the best and it's very satisfying to see the whinging from the usual suspects on here :)
The issue is the attitude that Justice has towards deporting those who have expired visas.. and the likelihood that Ukrainian refugees will be extended favourable terms to remain in Ireland after the visa. The 3 year visa constitutes grounds for a citizen application, which in practical terms, would be granted.
I understand you don't like it but that's the way it is.
Actually, it's not yet, the way that it is... it all depends on the policies and approach to the situation that are decided over the next few months.
I never really understood the logic of that statement above. We come to boards to discuss topics, so why shutdown the topic with the belief that it can't or shouldn't be changed.
Did I suggest doing that? Did anyone suggest doing that?
In any case, there's scope to limit the rights of Ukrainian refugees in a manner that protects the future of Irish people and the Irish economy, while also providing a safe haven until the conflict has resolved... There's no need for this rush over the cliff.
Some will stay, most will return. I don't see the issue.
The ones that return will get on with their lives, the ones that stay will do the same.
What will the death toll be before the war ends? Would you like to return to the place your father, brother, husband, uncle was killed by Russian forces who could decide to re-engage again the day after you get back or end up in a situation where your son could grow up to be 18 when another attack happens and he's not allowed leave?
Let me guess, you've friends who the above happened to and they were happy to go back??
Pure drink of prejudice of some of these posts! Classism.
What is it about the stuck up classes that they automatically believe refugees want to live here on social welfare rather then return home, to their (before the war) perfectly acceptable homeland? They don't live in caves FFS, they had functioning lives in cities and rural towns. It's a perfectly modern country, before the war. Ireland is a fine place to live, but I don't understand the attitude that it's somehow some utopia that everyone wants to live in. Millions of people live happily in thousands of other countries.
They are getting a 3 year visa at the moment so what's the issue?
How is letting them sit in a war zone the alternative? Surely a 2 year refugee visa, to be extended if the war goes on longer, would be an alternative. Once the visa elapses, you are out.
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