Discovery 4x13 - 'Coming Home' ~~ { Spoilers Within }

ilovesmybrick · 17-03-2022 10:12am #1

Discovery 4x13 - 'Coming Home' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

Warning: This thread will contain spoilers for the episode. Spoiler tags will not be used, so if you don't want to be spoiled read no further.

ilovesmybrick · 17-03-2022 11:21am

I said it in an earlier thread, but this entire season could have happened in a couple of episodes and worked for me. Soace stations warp now, fine. They're all actually giant lifeboats, fine. No consequences whatsoever for anyone, fine. The entire season was a complete disappointment for me, even by Discovery's standards.

Slydice · 17-03-2022 11:41am

Season Finale Episode! Oh I did enjoy that!

I'm not sure who the dedication was for at the end. April isn't the easiest name to google.

April Nocifora is listed as a Producer for many of the episodes: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744130/

It was cool to see the Ten'C. Cool to see such a new vision of life like that. It feels like their position in respect of our Galaxy is left in a grey area. I'd think a good idea would be for them to come inside the Milky Way if possible.. but maybe they want to still hang outside.

Really liked the Planetary Shields of Earth and the Mitchell coming to save the shuttle craft.

Oh! and when it dawned on me that I was watching The Federation HQ actually moving at warp speed .. I was like WOAAAAH! .. and then like.. yeah of course! 🙂

The personal story were done well and some big feels towards the end but the moment I thought they built best throughout the season long was the lead up to Book talking to the Ten'C and their response. It all just made sense.

Alright, that's a wrap. Checking the wiki for what's next and it looks like it'll be 2023:

A 10-episode fifth season was ordered in January 2022 and is expected to be released in 2023.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek%3A_Discovery

liamtech · 17-03-2022 1:06pm

A desperate End to a poorly written and conceived Season - predictable

So one of the most ADVANCED SPECIES EVER SEEN IN TREK, was TOTALLY unaware that WARP CAPABLE ARTIFICIAL VESSELS, were a sign of 'Higher life' -LUDICROUS BEYOND BELIEF (draw parallels with the Cetacean probe if you will - not the same at all)
They're Sorry - awe - heartwarming - (OOPS SORRY WE UTTERLY DESTROYED A COUPLE OF BILLION LIVES THERE - Our bad - yea we will sort something out. all good? Oh and heres a wormhole so - kindly GTF outta here... )
More 'emotional dribble' about a bunch of people that FEW IF ANY, care about
Michael - the legend - the one and only person in the universe, strikes again and saves the day - Bless - What would we do without her? You realize that the Federation only fell apart BECAUSE she was not present? And you know what this means?
Michael Burnham IS .... CHUCK NORRIS

Its desperate IMHO - makes last season look good (which is a tall order). It dragged out for 13 episodes of nonsense, with tiny plot points, a couple of hours of absolute filler, and all the intrigue of Root Canal work.

COMPARE THIS - TO PICARD??? No comparison -

ilovesmybrick · 17-03-2022 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797739#Comment_118797739

The one slightly positive part is that they with the ending they could have wrapped up the entire series and call it a day. But they're not, so more of the same next year.

liamtech · 17-03-2022 3:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797991#Comment_118797991

I can only speak for myself but im angry that its even part of the franchise at this stage. Stakes very high in this season of Picard, yet in a few hundred years BURNHAM arrives - ugh

I PRAY we do not see a cross over - im an atheist but i will PRAY we dont.

ilovesmybrick · 17-03-2022 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798242#Comment_118798242

I had a nightmare last night that the new Borg queen would be revealed to be Burnham...

liamtech · 17-03-2022 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798343#Comment_118798343

fritzelly · 17-03-2022 7:05pm

Well that was utterly disappointing, the end was particularly vomit inducing

An highly advanced species can't stop a small little space ship but a shuttlecraft can manage to crash into it - do the writers ever read over what they have written?

Off now to watch Picard and try and remove all memories of this season of Disco

CastorTroy · 17-03-2022 7:32pm

So the punishment for what was basically treason is community service?

And the General even gets to keep her rank.

"Okay, all the bridge crew beam down so we have loads of reaction shots when the Ten-C are communicating. Hmm, do you think we should ask what their species name is?"

So last week they were communicating through math, earlier this episode they mentioned not being able to communicate something as being too complex yet by the end they were able to have a full conversation?

ilovesmybrick · 17-03-2022 7:49pm

The bridge crew thing was particularly egregious. I just kept thinking, who the hell was left on the ship? Some junior ensign left in command? Though presumably there are no ensigns anymore since everyone is a commander. And yeah, the only part of the previous episode that was of interest was the problem with communication. Now it's no bother. Lets communicate Ulysses through lights. It wouldn't be an issue if they hadn't spent the entire previous episode talking about how incredibly difficult it was.

Lazy, lazy writing. Just god awful.

eadrom · 17-03-2022 8:24pm

Just not very good.

Not the worst season though to be honest. It did show some promise at times but really struggled under the weight of past mistakes and, I think, sub-par writing and performances.

Spear · 17-03-2022 10:03pm

I thought it was okay. There were some good moments, with the scenes of getting through to the 10cs being reminiscenct of The Motion Picture and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And I was even briefly impressed when they offed Booker so coldly in front in Burnham like that. Sadly they lacked the spine to see it out completely. But the season only had about 3 episodes worth of actual material, stretched to 13 episodes, like butter scraped over too much bread, so it doesn't make up such a bland season.

CastorTroy · 17-03-2022 11:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798343#Comment_118798343

Sure Burnham would never get assimilated, but would somehow free everyone who had been assimilated.

And she would likely do that by injecting emotions into the collective.

shootermacg · 18-03-2022 12:03am

Wow, I hate the characters and the forced sickly sweetness of the whole thing. It's so bloody bad. I rarely stop watching Star Trek, but honestly this just isn't worth watching anymore, and probably never was.

feelings · 18-03-2022 1:13am

How the fudge did this get another season? It was complete trash from start to finish.

~Rebel~ · 18-03-2022 4:08am

Ugh.

*sigh*

fritzelly · 18-03-2022 4:23am

What amazes me is that even with the third episode of Picard being the weakest of the 3 so far this season (whilst still being a great watch) it was still miles ahead of any episode of Disco this season

Well not long to go to start watching Strange New Worlds - so I think we have to be grateful to Disco for giving us that (and the fans demanding it) and hope to god it is a real Trek series and nothing like this 21st century all inclusive/#metoo/feelings matter/everyone has a place/and every other social media tag line that is prevalent in this piece of junk of Disco

Amazing that after 4 seasons I still don't know most of the characters names beyond 3 or 4 of them (since they get no more than a few minutes in the spotlight most of the time, but remember Lorca from S1) and really couldn't care less about any of them and yet after one season of any other Trek series I would have remembered pretty much all the main cast character names

AllForIt · 18-03-2022 5:18am

I've never watched such puke inducing garbage in all my life.

What an insult to Star Trek fans this incarceration of Star Trek is.

"For April, With Love"

~Rebel~ · 18-03-2022 7:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800507#Comment_118800507

Can't say I have any problem at all with a dedication to someone who has died.

The show was otherwise rubbish.

Also, only just realised Earth's president was Stacey Abrams (famous US politician - the person responsible for winning the dems the all important senate races in Georgia). Makes sense, it totally felt like an over-egged moment, and I couldn't quite understand why until I found that out.

eadrom · 18-03-2022 8:57am

@~Rebel~ | Stacey Abrams (famous US politician - the person responsible for winning the dems the all important senate races in Georgia)

Yeah, I had no idea she was anybody until I read about it afterwards.

Maybe it's more benign than it seems but really doesn't sit right that they'd make a current real-world, and I assume polarising, political statement like that. Like who do they think they are?

But of course they probably think they're Star Trek Discovery, the show with the duty to tell us (not show us, mind) how we should feel about everything.

Not a good look.

GSPfan · 18-03-2022 10:36am

It’s Just such crap. Again everyone is being told to play every important scene like they are about to burst out in tears of joy or sorrow. The ending felt like a series finale but unfortunately i found out it’s getting another season.

breezy1985 · 18-03-2022 11:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800262#Comment_118800262

People love trash. Have you seen some of the shte that's popular on TV.

I bet James Corden fans love Discovery.

breezy1985 · 18-03-2022 11:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800626#Comment_118800626

Ya not sure Trek should be promoting living individuals like that. I have a lot of respect for what she done but what's to say she wont turn out to do something really evil in the future.

Also sets a bad precedent because what if it's someone I don't like next time. Or it becomes like the Simpsons who can't stop sticking in famous people.

BruteStock · 18-03-2022 1:00pm

if I let go of a hammer on a planet that has a positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has in fact fallen

Political agends in your entertainment hiding in plain sight. Why do people watch this vomit! Thankfully not many people do. Re-runs of bargain hunt has more viewership lol

sioda · 18-03-2022 1:06pm

Wow what a waste of time.

The whole season could have been condensed into about 4 EPs realistically.

Thankfully Picard seems to have escaped the writing that discovery has endured. The worst thing is I'll watch the next season because it's trek and it has to get better you'd hope

breezy1985 · 18-03-2022 1:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801416#Comment_118801416

Complaining about politics being pushed on Star Trek is like complaining their is a leather ball in a soccer match.

BruteStock · 18-03-2022 1:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801461#Comment_118801461

I understand where your coming from. The shows of past dealt with moral political issues everybody could agree with. Discovery is narcissistic, miserable - reflective of the people who make it

breezy1985 · 18-03-2022 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801571#Comment_118801571

It had a black woman, an Japanese man and a Russian on the bridge. It later dealt with trans issues in TNG.

Definitely were not things "everybody could agree with" back then or some even now.

eadrom · 18-03-2022 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801461#Comment_118801461

I think that's only half true though. TOS and TNG Trek told good stories set in a world where values were (mostly?) in the right place and treated as worth upholding. I'm not sure if it was particularly pushy though. It just existed in that world.

Discovery can't let a scene go by without vocalising it's position on treating everyone with love and respect and allowing ourselves to feel because we are ALL in this TOGETHER people <3 <3. Meanwhile it's just some rote sci-fi story in some rote sci-fi world exploding all around them.

And it's the same with having an American political figure playing a cameo as the president of Earth or whoever and whatever. They've done very little to show us any example of a future worth having for four seasons, but here's an actual real word liberal politician we want to align ourselves with instead.

Poor.

breezy1985 · 18-03-2022 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801715#Comment_118801715

On the first bit Roddenberry made a point and was absolutely honest about having women and Black people to push his politics. It was a move that would certainly be "virtue signaling" to some people now.

Discoverys crime isn't the politics its just doing it with shte writing.

And ya as I said earlier its risky to start endorsing living people. Unless this woman is actually starting an acting career which I don't think is the case.

GreeBo · 19-03-2022 4:14pm

Complete scutter.

Why on earth was the station spinning in warp?!

I think what strikes me the most is how unprofessional the majority of the crew are. And as for wedging in another "my family" horseshit with Adira...puke

GreeBo · 19-03-2022 4:14pm

somuj · 19-03-2022 11:55pm

Writing eassys this week. Using mathematics last week.

Beings that can warp space are not higher beings? Must be some creatures in 10 see'a galaxy that do it through evolution

pah · 20-03-2022 11:55pm

Utter, utter shíte.

Discovery was never very good but some of the first 2 seasons were watchable. I personally hated all the retconning and shohorning in of Michael to the canon but I might have overlooked it to a degree if the writing was better and the explanations were better.

Every episode this season has had lots of technical/scientific silliness.

The DMA being 5 LIGHT YEARS wide for a start - I don't even know where to start with how ridiculous that is.

The inconsistincies from episode to episode - communicating with the 10-C - LMFAO

One minute Books ship can't be beamed onto because of some blocking tech, the next someone just beams in, no problem.

There are 30+ posts here and only 1 person giving this episode/show any love. A poor tv show and a really awful trek show.

Ray Palmer · 21-03-2022 10:27am

Micheal's character no longer makes any sense from where she started. She was raised on Vulcan and had control of her emotions. By this eposide she doesn't even consider Vulcan as an important planet to her and she has no emotional control at all.

breezy1985 · 21-03-2022 10:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118812845#Comment_118812845

Ya I think as writers and showrunners changed they have tried to bury that stupid storyline.

Ray Palmer · 21-03-2022 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118812857#Comment_118812857

Well if they are doing that they should change her name too which is just so stupid to begin with.

eadrom · 21-03-2022 11:03am

Yeah there's so little continuity with what the show used to be.

It was clearly stated a few times that the spore drive can jump to anywhere in the universe, now they can barely make it to the edge of the galaxy.

Correcting for past mistakes to some extent but adds to the feeling of this all being pretty pointless. Mindless action interspersed with awkward character moments of bridge crew taking about where they want to go on holidays when they get "back" to Earth. Dudes, it's 1000 years later. Everyone you've ever known is dead and that ski spot you loved so much is probably a tropical beach by now. So much emotion and not a care, all at the same time. Who are these people.

Someone with a chequebook at Paramount just doesn't want to admit failure with this show.

Greyjoy · 21-03-2022 1:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798956#Comment_118798956

Yeah I found the lack of consequences for the General's betrayal particularly frustrating. It doesn't even warrant a dressing down from the Earth president instead it's all smiles and jokes. From a diplomatic standpoint if Earth wants to rejoin the Federation there's no way that Indoye could keep her position. How could Federation/Starfleet officers be expected to work alongside someone that had deliberately sabotaged a Starfleet mission?

I also agree that it felt like a huge leap to go from communicating simple math equations in the previous episode to carrying out complex conversations all of a sudden.

CastorTroy · 22-03-2022 12:39am

So the spore drive and the test drive are both gone now? So no more spore jumping?

So now Discovery is no more important than the other ships, apart from the fact it has Michael which makes it a thousand times more special and important than the other ships.

AllForIt · 22-03-2022 10:33pm

That bit where Tilly was instructing a group of personnel to help because people need support early on in the episode is for me the worst scene in Star Trek I've ever seen.

pjcb · 27-03-2022 12:49am

why was the conniving general not punished?

AllForIt · 27-03-2022 2:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841033#Comment_118841033

Because she's a sister of Burnham, obviously.

AMKC · 02-04-2022 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816926#Comment_118816926

Really. Wow season five might actually have to have decent writing. I have watched very little of season 4 only the first half of the first episode and that was enough for me to say no thanks. Reading the posts in here I am so glad I avoided it all. Maybe someday someone will condense it into 3 or 4 episodes and I might watch that otherwise no thanks.

I am curious do was there ever a future Enterprise shown in it at all?

What letter are they on now and is it on You-Tube anywhere?

_Kaiser_ · 12-05-2022 3:56pm

I've watched none of this but like last year, I have read through this thread to see if it got any better (Picard did in fairness though not without its flaws - mostly that it could have been told in half the episodes)

But it sounds as though this is still the same mess it's always been.. and it's been given another season?? Really?!

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