They make valid points. We all hope and wish the Ukrainians beat the murderous crooked bastard in the Kremlin and his minions and send his below par Soviet army packing and they have and are putting up one hell of a fight and are holding back Russian plans like encircling and cutting off Kyiv, but it's quite true that pretty much all we hear about from the ground is entirely the Ukrainian side of things. Reports about casualties on both sides are coming from Western and Ukrainian sources. Western sources like the US have zero love for Russia or the military for obvious reasons so how reliable are their figures?
The only thing we get from the Russian side is on their homefront and Kremlin spin and bluster. The Russians are keeping things very close to their chests in goings on in Ukraine itself. Of Belarus there's almost nada. As far as I'm aware there aren't any Western journalists on the Russian side of the battlezone. Are there any Russian or independents like AlJazeeera embedded with the Russian side reporting back?
It's extremely one sided at this stage. The wider picture is hard to gauge. It's pretty clear the Russian forces have made pretty deep headway into Ukraine on the east and south of the country and have and are taking real estate including a couple of cities.
I'm rooting for the David against this facist Goliath, but when it is all over and more information comes out I suspect we will be surprised at some of it that we figured was true wasn't.
MickClare, is that you?
Slow day in Brussels heh?
I get what you're saying but I think his head, without question, is up his hole.
Nice one.
We all watched his address and came away thinking he's more mentally ill that we had ever imagined. Cuckoo. Your boy is a nutter and taking one hell of a beating!
Indeed regime change (if positive) would see a lot of changes. However it doesn't seem like anything of the sort is close to happening, and Putin appears to have a firm grip on power. If that remains the case, then I don't see many taking on debt from a country that is the most sanctioned in the world AND has an economy that is sliding rapidly. It's a country that is also in the process of international theft, e.g. stealing leased planes, threatening to appropriate the assets of foreign countries and increasingly cut off from traditional banking means such as swift.
Am sure their neighbours - the Serbs - would love to get back in to even a few old scores. Those Serbs know a bit about committing war crimes.
The stealing of those leased aircraft was the point above all others for me when they lost the economic plot, and/or figured you're treating us like a pariah so we'll act like one. Sanctions can be lifted almost as quickly as they're applied, but international trust in business is a far harder road to walk back down from.
All the more reason for Bosnia to join NATO then I would think.
Pinch of salt, but have been plenty of reports of the Russian military using unencrypted comms
I believe that is all that can be said about that "post". Really should be printed out, framed and hung in the "screamer of the year" gallery.
There can be no removal of sanctions until all Russian soldiers are gone from Ukrainian soil (definition up to Ukraine) and Ukraine has been made whole from the Robber Barons' money. Russia have to lose out massively and be seen to lose out massively for what they've done.
If they (Wallace and Daly) didn't keep extremely shady company since their sojourn in Brussels began, their 'anti-war' bluster might carry more weight.
Their cloying visit to a Russian and Iranian state-backed militia in Iraq, appearing on Chinese state TV in praise of the communist party, keeping the company of the Iranian ambassador in Brussels - no photo of them with the Russian & Chinese diplomatic missions, but I'll eat my hat if they haven't been courted by them.
They are way way out of their depth, and the likelihood of them being 'got at' and being used as mouthpieces of a state actor appear to be quite high.
Have to agree with you there
Agree. I've found it interesting that Ukraine have taken a hard line up to now on their territorial integrity, insisting that ceding Crimea and the Donbass regions was not on the table. My hunch would be that they're willing to concede on the matter, but Russia would need to make some serious concessions of its own.
Powerful - Think of what he just did
Very powerful - fair play to him
Grand can you explain away the rest of the world's "propaganda" in your attempts to convince us this isn't "really" happening
I was wondering how long it would take for the tin foil hat brigade to take to the battlefield
The problem with that strategy, @briany is that if they concede a sliver of land now, and given the 2014 annexation, it sets a dangerous precedent for future sovereign nations. Simply, by invading the country and wreaking utter destruction, you are rewarded for that bad behaviour with land. And Russia is likely to renege on future agreements and come back for more. I also think from all the civilian casualties in the past 24h, that Russia isn’t really pushed about a peace pact. It is all or nothing for Putin
They have been here a while, mods just keeping the thread as clean as they can.
True ,whatever about Putin anyone believing the Yanks and the Brits has a short memory
Ukrainian farmers have soon the largest tank force in Europe and can take on Putin alone
If you watch the addresses Putin gave in full with english subtitles he makes some perfectly valid points there. from your post
Please explain (even from your warped standpoint) what exactly Putin stated that was 'VALID'?
I suppose it's gratifying them reaching that conclusion, except it didn't take me weeks to reach it. As I said, Biden's statement was probably the worst signalling by a US official since signalling to Iraq that invading Kuwait would be OK.
I think they'll find themselves as arms merchants once the smoke clears. "Barely used Russian tanks for sale!"
I've been following this thread for weeks and declined to say anything as I've "skin in the game" so to say. The shills/putinbots are obvious, don't engage with them. You are being dragged into a pointless debate that deflects the purpose of the what can be at times, an excellent source of information.
I'm sorry I didn't say this weeks ago.
I can imagine that.
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