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Import a motorcycle from EU

maximus02

Am I correct in thinking that if I import a bike from EU (ie. France, Belgium, Netherlands) that I will only have to pay the normal VRT charges? (€2 per cc etc) and that there will be no extra charges in these post Brexit days.

Does anyone have any suggestions on bike dealers in these countries which I could contact?

Thanks in advance.

Max

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Hotblack Desiato

Yikes. You don't own a vehicle if you don't have the documents, you own a garage ornament (and not even that, if it's stolen)

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118979839#Comment_118979839

All sounds odd. The bike should be deregistered before leaving Germany... The logbook would be provided at that point if not already available.

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978333#Comment_118978333

You should have been given the document by the seller, it's a green folded paper with the vehicle registration information on it. There is no way he didn't have that if he rode the bike in Germany: by law you have to carry it with you on the bike at all times.

I'd go back to him, firmly but politely, and insist on it, they're usually sticklers for paperwork. You can tell him the exporting authorities in Germany also need it. (who's he to argue ? )

robbie_63

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978148#Comment_118978148

Could the bike have been stolen if it was sold without any registration docs?

WestWicklow1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978148#Comment_118978148

I wouldn't have bought it without the Zulassungsbescheinigung. However, you are where you are and my first advice is to ask the person you bought it from to apply for one and send it to you.

Also, have a read here...

https://www.service-bw.de/zufi/leistungen/439?plz=68526#formulare

lipso

my issue is I imported a 2017 bike from germany a few weeks ago from a private seller who had the bike from new. Before buying I checked with him if he had the German logbook equivalent and he said he never got one but only got the CoC, Certificate of Conformity which is issued for all new vehicles since 2016 I think.

i took the bike for vrt last Friday but they won’t accept the CoC. They say that is only for new vehicles. I need to get the logbook, ‘ Zulassungsbescheinigung’ in german.

anyone know how I can get one or get advice about it?

LollipopJimmy

I just insured my bike that's currently in Poland with C-N, no issue.

CJhaughey

Don't make work for yourself, just go through the normal channels and get the bike that way. If anything goes wrong and you are found out then the resulting hassle for insurance is not worth it.

There aren't many bike insurers in ireland and blacklisting yourself off the few that are here is not sensible.

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847387#Comment_118847387

on Italian plates........... ?

LucianBelmau

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118845743#Comment_118845743

I mean, how do they know where the "trip" started anyway? I might've bought it here and taken it for a spin in the Netherlands right? :D

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842292#Comment_118842292

funny you should mention that: I bought a bike in NL last October and C-N originally refused to cover it, to ride it home, on the grounds the 'trip' didn't start in Ireland. Like you, I've bought bikes in the UK over decades and a phone call put them on cover without issue. Only for some serious ranting and many phone calls they wouldn't have relented.

@LucianBelmau so, ring them, it's the only way you'll know for sure.

Hotblack Desiato

Like I said - you have to ring them and add the bike to your policy using the VIN, CN did this for me no problem when I imported a bike from the UK

LucianBelmau

Thank you all for your replies. What if I buy the bike in a country like Italy where plates are attached to the bike? Will insurance (I’m with Carole Nash too!) cover the bike for a month until I get it VRT’d?

CJhaughey

Sometimes you can insure it on the VIN , not sure which insurers will do this though.

I found it easy enough to make a plate once you know the previous reg and just stick that on, having a plate of any kind is much better when encountering a checkpoint than none at all.

Bluefoam

Even if you have the bike transported home the temp plates can come in useful as the insurance allows you to ride the bike to the VRT center... Otherwise, you may need to get it transported there.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118839018#Comment_118839018

Belgium too.

Had no plate and I rode to nct centre 70 km away and came on a check point on the way home.

The Garda asked me was it taxed as he began walk around the back of the bike to look for tax disc.

I told him I just got it and he didn't bother looking and told me drive on.

Blarney nct messed me about so it took a month and going to Waterford nct centre to sort it.

Of course there was cops everytime I took the bike out for a spin so had to take a swift turn off a few times.

Carol Nash insured the bike with no reg for 30 days which ran out on the day I got it vrt'd

Hotblack Desiato

Some countries like Germany and, I think, Netherlands, the registration number can't be transferred to a new owner & the seller keeps the plates when selling. You need a temporary number plate if you're riding the bike home. In Germany anyway, this includes third party insurance for a certain time. If you are getting the bike home in a van then you don't need temporary plates or insurance.

In other countries the number plate stays with the bike and it only changes if the bike is exported. You can ride it home on that plate if your own insurance covers it (you will probably have to specifically add the bike and you'll only be covered for a certain time on the foreign plate) Then when you pay VRT you are allocated an Irish registration number and you get the Irish plate made up at a motor factors or online.

On some bikes the dipped beam kicks up towards the nearside, in Ireland that could dazzle drivers unless the headlamp unit can be either adjusted or replaced with the UK/Ireland version to solve the problem. I doubt this would be checked when doing VRT though.

LucianBelmau

Hi all, new here! This board has been super helpful so far.

I’m looking into importing from the EU myself & I have two questions.

I’ve read of export plates in this thread. What are they exactly? In general, will insurance cover an EU plate bike if I want to ride it home?
When doing VRT, does anything need to be changed on the bike to get it registered in Ireland? I’ve heard a friend saying once the beamers might have different inclinations or something like that but no one mentioned it here to my relief.

Thanks in advance for your answers!

CJhaughey

The system will now be looking for a Piaggio MotoGuzzi 750 for the next poor sap that brings one in;)

WestWicklow1

Get that changed. Contact Shannon and tell them the bike is incorrectly named/described on the reg cert.

Bluefoam

I think I know what caused the issue... The VRT lady was hyper focused on the fact that she read 'Piaggio' on the German logbook... I explained that its a Moto Guzzi in detail... But the new logbook says Piaggio... Not sure what difference it'll every make, but seems to explain why there was no Piaggio 750's on the system...

CJhaughey

Its like using any online system, look at fuelly for an example. You have one type of bike, say a Deauville NT650V for example.

If you look up Deauville 650, you find: NT650 Deauville (152 examples) NT650V (1) NT650V Deauville(5) so the same bike has been entered wrongly 3 times. Multiply that out across a whole heap of bikes and you have a load of crap info that someone in the VRT office has to try and make sense of without causing a problem and that's where the issues lie.

For a worse example look at the 700 Deauville, there are 7 instances of that in the database!

TLDR: Rubbish in = Bad database = Rubbish out

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118758507#Comment_118758507

One is used, one is brand new. So it's definitely on the VRO system.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118757937#Comment_118757937

Were they imported second hand?

Anyways... got notice that they had processed everything yesterday evening, was at the VRT centre at 8am this morning and I now have a registration plate ready to fit! Excited!!!

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118737462#Comment_118737462

I know of at least 2 in Galway, so they're just plain wrong. One is even the same colour as yours.

Debub

Hello Knowledgeable folks - what do you think about this one? Too much or in a reasonable bracket? There are some scratches etc...

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=340724890

LollipopJimmy

Yes, I had meant to say 'another' long day. Hanover is roughly the midpoint. Looking forward to it anyway :)

Debub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736684#Comment_118736684

All the best, nice one (wouldnt the Poznan to Hannover run be the longest one)?

CJhaughey

I think their motorcycle database is pretty poor.

Bluefoam

Went to VRT the V7 today. They'd never heard of it and have no record of any 750cc (or variations there of) Moto Guzzi...

I have to wait for them to put it onto the system before I can get the registration... I must be the first to import one used.