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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Yep.

    Tactical chemical or biological strike will take out the protection detail as well.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Given the high ranking positions she had held in the US gvoernment and MIC, she is just as likely to be smirking ("duper's delight," as some call it) because she's a honey trap (of sorts) designed to attract certain types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa




  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone did get emotional earlier when I suggested they were being at least partially manipulated by mainstream media.

    As for where I get my info (and have thus correctly called a lot of things over the past two years), that would be often from the globalists themselves. IE the people who (now openly) own your politicians. World Economic Forum is a great place to start. You'll pick a lot up listening to their conferences, interviews, reading through various connected documentation, patents etc.

    You're being showed a consistent message and the same emotional propaganda from mainstream media because that's what they want you to see.

    I suppose the simple question always is: who controls the puppets you're all distracted by on the public stage? What's their agenda? Whilst mainstream media bombards you with something on the left, what are the people who actually dictate global policy doing over on the right? You're distracted by checkers whilst the guys above are playing chess. Over and over.

    Anyway, hopefully this Ukraine situation is resolved soon. Have a good day, my friend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I actually agree.

    They are completely untrustworthy.

    What's notable about this is the Ukrainians saying this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't agree with doing harm to them physically, but those relatives of top Russian officials who are living in the West should have their assets stripped and either placed under house arrest or sent back to Russia. Make Putin and his circle feel every bit of pain they can if NATO won't directly confront Russian forces in Ukraine.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    When she opens with the usual "you won't see this in the mainstream media" you can be sure what follows are going to be half truths or complete and utter bollocks. And I wasn't far wrong. The outgoing president was a corrupt prick in the pocket of Putin. The anti oligarch laws that Zelenskyy brought in were a tad inconvenient for him. And he wasn't thrown in gaol, indeed was still going to parliament. Indeed Zelenskyy had wanted to bring in tougher laws around that(though he did get stuff like the president was no longer immune to prosecution. Crazy notion), but not all of them got through the Ukrainian parliament. One of those crazy things you hear about in democracies. The Ukrainian media themselves were dubious about some of his media reforms and reported it openly. Also something you tend to find in democracies. Now compare and contrast with the facist prick in the Kremlin. Have any of his proposals been rejected by the Dumas? That would be a no. How safe are Russian media outlets that go against the party line? Not very. And now you can end up in a Russian prison for fifteen years if you don't stick to the script.

    Is Ukraine a bastion of all that is good in the world? Hell, no it isn't. It's still economically screwed, riddled with corruption and cronyism with a civil war in the East where neither side comes out clean of blood on their hands, but compared to Russia it's a disneyland of freedom and democracy.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    when I was in college many moons ago, we had to do this self-directed learning in a group. A tutor would assess us as we fed-back the information to the group. Of course, there were several convincing gobshites who always claimed that they cited from the latest research. But if you looked at their notes, they had all the telltale blue keywords which were underlined.

    It is not enough to state that you used the bibliographic databases. You actually have to cite the primary source itself. Unless, you are like the people who used to talk up their sources but in fact used to cite (badly) sources from Wikipaedia. And most of the time, they got the totally wrong end of the stick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Zelensky shutting down "spewing stations" (for 5 years) by revoking their licences is HARDLY THE SAME as using the kinetic energy of high velocity metal fragments, generated and thrown by high explosives, to collide with innocent peoples' flesh, skin, bone, muscle, ligaments, sinews, sensory organs, vital organs, etc.

    Some people are stupid beyond belief - "a table has four legs, a dog has four legs, therefore a dog is a table"

    Comprehend - Discern - Reflect



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,017 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I checked her first claim and it reeks. He shut down three Pro-Russian 'stations' that no sane person would regard as 'stations' - they were 3 youtube channels that aired on a tuesday evening. The three were all owned by thr same Pro-Russian politician and they were promulgating the propaganda of the eastern seperatists. Can't be bothered wasting time on the rest of what she's spinning given item one checks out as being a sound and justified move on Zelenskyy's part. More putin than Putin - horse shít.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Bear in mind that when Zelensky took over, Ukraine was corrupt and essentially a mafia state not too dissimilar to Russia. This was the precise reason Zelensky won the presidency. The Ukrainian people couldn't trust another politician. They'd had several who promised the world and then pocketed the resources.

    I'm not sure about the individuals that Tulsi Gabbardsky is listing as being 'victims' of Zelensky oppression, but they may have been corrupt agents that he was cleaning up. He came into politics promising do bring people to account.

    Tulsi Gabbardsky similar to the likes of Glen Greendwald, comes from a very pro-Russian/Iran/Assad angle. It's that weird Corbyn-type of left wing where belligerent anti-west dictators and states are seen in a favourable light because they don't bend the knee to the west/NATO etc which excites some on the left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Talking of fascist scum using antifacist propaganda - YouTube seems to be currently overrun with 100s of pro Russian videos of Chechen forces in Ukraine, who unfortunately not only look and are equipped like a modern European Army but are touting the same Putin rhetoric as the Russians. I've screen grabbed the following from just one of the videos (which I'm not going to link to) which provides an insight on how far fascists are using their antifascist propaganda against the legitimate government of Ukraine

    Extract from YouTube video titled "Ukrainian settlement ... liberated from the Bandera regime by units of the Chechen special forces"

    https://i.imgflip.com/68i47w.jpg

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    These assholes, like the woman in the video want to get us down to the level of moral equivalence. They want us debating the difference in magnitude of the two different deeds. Everybody gets tarred with the same brush and all sides are somehow tainted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Even if the things she alleges are true. So what, all of Europe has banned RT. So nowhere in Europe is a democracy?

    None of it justifies what Putin is doing.

    He is not doing it to impose democracy



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The "censored" ones we're no supposed to be talking about that apparently anyone can read. Given the lack of criical thinking in play they must be fierce easy to find too

    And yet you just discussed it and your brother in tinfoil linked a video. A video where damn near every single thing that individual* says is demonstrably untrue.




    *and she's worth a google if one wants a Sunday afternoon giggle. Google is compromised of course. By lizards. Wiki too. Anything that isn't a facebook page written by morons, for morons, about morons.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Very important talks. Instrumental to get China "onside" as they have significant leverage over Putin. Also the Chinese economy could be impacted by global food/resource prices as a result of the war and instability.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    The Islamic world is behind the Chechens, hence the support online for them. I've been reading some Islamic forums and they're all like "we hope our brothers succeed in Ukraine" etc.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    She appeals to loons. And like in any large country America has a fair percentage of loons and that means if you appeal to them enough you're on the gravy train.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm scarlet for Putin. Mammy and Daddy have called an intervention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Yeah, it's hardly high crimes by Zelensky. She seems to think it's a reason to not support Ukraine and shill for Russia. Note when she said "this is what people accuse Russia of" - so she's even trying to insinuate that she doesn't think Russia acts this way...it's just an "allegation".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,616 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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    Where is the Ukrainian First Lady, did she get out with the kids before it all kicked off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    I think these peace talks are a sham because putin hasn't achieved what he wanted yet, if he stops now he'll have all the pain sanctions etc and nothing achieved. He doesn't stop until he takes kyiv and removes the government. Hopefully I'm wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It really depends whether China is seen to help them. For now all they are doing is bland PR about how bad everything is and please stop. They have quite a lot to lose by hitching themselves to something they have nothing to do with starting. If they did move it's far more likely they'd extract a price for anything along these lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russian TV hosts openly talking about going further than Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Support? Wtf are you talking about. These are slickly produced English titled YouTube videos spouting pro Russian and anti Ukrainian garbage about facists, banderas and how Russia and the Chechens will supposedly free the people of Ukraine.

    Its time YouTube started scrubbing that shite for what it is.

    But tell me this - is the Islamic world behind the Russians bombing Mosques in Ukraine as well?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,583 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    The Chinese, their Taiwan aspirations aside, will be cringing through this while fiasco. These kind of direct protracted conflicts that lead to nothing are not their style. They value influence (theirs) and above all stability. Skyrocketing food and commodity prices are not good news at all for an economy and society like china’s



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