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Team named. Interesting selections.
1. Rob Hennelly – Roibeard O’Hionnaile - Breaffy
2. Lee Keegan – Laoi MacAogáin – Westport
3. David McBrien - Dáithí Mac Briain - Ballaghadereen
4. Donnacha McHugh – Donnacha MacAodh – Castlebar Mitchels
5. Oisín Mullin - Oisín Ó’Maoláin - Kilmaine
6. Aidan O’Shea – Aodhán O’Se – Breaffy
7. Stephen Coen © – Stiofáin O’Cadhain – Hollymount/Carramore
8. Jordan Flynn – Siuirtán Floinn – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
9. Matthew Ruane - Maitiú Ó Ruáin - Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh – Fionn MacDonncha – Westport
11. Paul Towey – Pol Tuathaigh– Charlestown Sarsfields
12. Fergal Boland - Fearghal Ó’Beolláin - Aghamore
13. Aiden Orme – Aodhán Orme – Knockmore
14. Jason Doherty - Séasáon Dochartaigh - Burrishoole
15. Ryan O’Donoghue – Riain O’Donnachadh - Beal a Mhuirthead
SUBS:
16. Rory Byrne – Ruairi O Broin – Castlebar Mitchels
17. Brendan Harrison - Breandan Ó Hearchaí - Aghamore
18. Padraig O’Hora – Pádraig O’hOra – Ballina Stephenites
19. Michael Plunkett – Micheal Pluinceid – Ballintubber
20. Rory Brickenden - Ruairí Brickenden - Westport
21. Enda Hession - Éanna Ó hOisín - Garrymore
22. Kevin McLoughlin - Caoimhín MacLochlainn - Knockmore
23. Conor O’ Shea – Conchur O’Se – Breaffy
24. Conor Loftus – Conchur O’Lachtnáin – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
25. Jack Carney - Sean O’Cearnaigh – Kilmeena
26. Darren Coen - Darán Ó Cadhain - Hollymount Carramore
dont ahve teh link, as i read it on the phone. the title is Horanball, the system that transformed mayo into contenders - and why it now needs to change
Obviously I'd be biased but I was a long time coming around to McHale as a county footballer. When I see him playing with guys who make good runs, like Orme and Naughton, I can see how good he is. You saw it in the Connacht final last year, ROD making runs and McHale looking to pick them out, his execution was 100% that day but you could see what he was trying to do
if you can locate that article again can you share it?.
On Darren McHale - I think Green&Red has a natural bias towards his own club man which is understandable. I'd rate Darren McHale but I would fear that he may go the same way as a number of other forwards we have had - outstanding on their first few games but then fade off a bit as a results of injuries or whatever. I'd give Fionn McDonagh and James Carr as 2 examples of that, both outstanding in their first few games and now struggling to get a game. That may also be down to the opposition not having any intel on these lads in their first games to be able to counter them, but then getting wise to their strengths and weaknesses.
I'd certainly have Darren in there and for now he'd be ahead of Carney who I also rate quite highly - we're somewhat fortunate with the depth we have but we are short of prolific scorers which Darren is worth a few scores in a game. What I had heard of his injuries last year were fairly serious stuff that would take a good while to get back from but that was rumour and heresay so G&R is closer to the man than I and better able to give an indication as to where he's at.
Underrated passer of the ball, hes up there with Cillian for being able to spot and execute the right pass at the right time, which is what leads to goals. Point shooting could definitely be improved
Theres a class article on the 42 that dismantles mayos loss to donegal and tyrone. basically saying that Mayo wont employ a sweeper, and have a poor conversion rate from play (think 36% was bandied) Jim Mc predicted it in advance of the final nearly 10 years ago, and logan/dooher did the same. no amount of darren mchales could compensate for that.... a very interesting read. PS. not to be dismissive, but I wouldnt rate McHale as highly as you seem to. is it a case of the freemans - the longer hes out the better he was?
Darren is a month away from being back so I'm told, so unlikely he'll be back for championship at that rate. Although hes the type of fella who keeps himself in good shape, it wouldn't take a lot to get him match fit. Its a shame because he has been one of the standout forwards in Mayo for the last couple of years and brings a brain to the forward line that can be missing against tight defences. I think if he was available in the AIF we'd have won.
You're right though hes the forgotten man
I'd disagree on making the league final, ideal scenario for me is we beat Tyrone and then lose to Kildare, miss out on the final. I'd say Armagh are in the same boat though, they've Donegal in the championship the same day as we play Galway
Any word about on Darren McHale? The injury that was niggling him the Knockmore run still have him out of action?
Hasn't gotten name dropped like O'Conner, Coen, Carr or McBrien when James was discussing injuries or at least not that I've heard.
The lack of minutes among options as inside fowards (outside of Ryan and Aidan basically just Towey and Irwin, and even Irwin tends to be used in a deeper role) starting to be a concern.
Disappointing result but I wouldn't have been reading too much into it whatever way it went.
I came away from it thinking that we've probably some more improvement in us than Kerry, if that's a positive.
No home games and we're still in with a great shot of a league final. It would be great to get that experience under some of the belts.
Would agree with others, you feel that Cillian and/or Jason Doc will be needed. Even if we could get them to the stage of impact subs, it would be a serious boost.
I tend to agree. We don't have the fire power up front to really win an All Ireland this year imo. The loss of Conroy is a sickener because I think he was due a massive year and I'd feel a lot more confident about our chances if he was there. We just lack the personnel and I don't see how it's going to change between now and championship. Cillian won't be right on time imo and Jason Doherty is only back from two serious injuries so I wouldn't be over reliant on him either. Orme is still a year or two off what's required imo. Currently O'Donoghue is carrying the forwards and it won't last.
I'm also not thrilled about what's going on with Oisin Mullin and his positioning. He would have been as well to go to Australia if he's just going to be wasted in the full back line.
I'd be in agreement with that. Carney is the lad from Kilmeena and I think it's a lot to expect him and Orme to partner R O'D in to a very potent forward line. I'd agree the absence of Conroy is a massive blow to our efforts.
I keep hearing about David McBrien but he's not played since the Tuam massacre in the 2020 League game. This ties back to your point about hoping or relying on lads who've not played for a while as not being a great plan. That said - if we had Jason and Cillian available there would be a bit more potency there I think.
Certainly our full back line while we have personnel that can be used there, it's an area of weakness and we're robbing Peter to pay Paul for that line - Keegan being the obvious case in point there.
You can definitely put a positive or negative spin on the game.
On the one hand, it was a close contest we could and should have got something from. Never let the Kerry forward line get a big run on us, very encouraging performances in midfield and Ryan/Fergal did well up front.
On the other hand, it reminded me of the All Ireland final last year. 2 big goal chances missed while Kerry finished their only opportunity. Not really sure there's any quick fix for that either apart from Jason/Cillian suddenly returning at top form.
oh, just to add, Jordan Flynn had a few daft shots too, but his midfielding action was both excellent and terrible. again coaching on shot selection will help.
Mattie Ruane showed some savage displays of skill throughout the game, getting an immense equaliers :)
not really too worried about the result. A lazy tackle from a tired aiden cost us the draw. neither team played very well. however, and correct me if i am wrong, if we want to win the league, we will have to play kerry again. and if we want to win Sam, we will likely have to beat them again. 2-1 against kerry in the one year is okay with me. Mayos shot selection will need some more work, unusual to see paddy durcan so far off the mark, so i think next weeks training should involve reminding players where the high accuracy range is on the pitch. Diarmuid o'C had an uncharacteristic shot saved, which would have sealed the deal for us too, so all in, not too bad.
I too came away from watching that game with a sense of disappointment.
Not by the way they played on the night but just the fact that I think we lack the personell in both the full back line and the full forward line to really make a serious challenge for the title.
And what I mean by serious challenge is winning the final, not just getting to it.
I know Cillian is due back as in Doherty, but relying on guys who have been out for extended periods to be the solution to the problem is never a good thing.
Right now ROD is carrying all weight of the full forward line, one can't expect Orme or the guy from Kilmeena (can't remember his name) to suddenly be great players in their first championship seasons, it would be great if they were.
The loss of Conroy is massive in that regard.
So the full forward line is just missing the depth needed.
Same goes for the full back line.
O Hora is big and tough but can struggle, Brickenden has been tried there and he struggled also.
Putting Lee there is taking away from what he still does best, going forward.
I’m a bit disappointed to be honest. A few players didn’t perform well enough I thought. It was a game we should have won but mistakes cost us. 9 wides and mistakes made that cost us. Conditions were far from ideal and I would have thought it was a game that would have suited Eoghan MacLauglin for his additional pace. We are still missing Jason, Cillian and others so hopefully they can recover to feature at some point.
O Shea did ok but still prefer him as impact sub and definitely shouldn't be playing the full game . Loss doesn't worry me at all
Yeah, happy enough. plenty to improve upon, cillian and doherty badly missed up front. thought we handled kerry quite well though, and let pat Spillane talk them up all he wants, they are far from unbeatable
Just about a deserved result. Plenty for both teams to ponder on. Forward line needs more potency as we are relying on on or two individuals. Some of the big guns were relatively quiet but wet soggy pitches and poor heavy weather is not what this team are meant for . Decent overall performance .
Yeah, he won some great balls in that 2nd half
ROD is top class. Fast becoming one of Mayo’s most important players. He is improving steadily all the time which is great.
Good performance I think but bit of a meh result.
Some show from ROD in the second half....he's really pushing on since last year
daft tackle by A O S there at the end should have been a draw .
Mayo definitely should have been leaving Tralee with the draw at least. Some very quiet performances from some of their mainstays.
Really could have and should have won that. Woeful wides lost it.
Late notice but I cant make the game due to getting stuck in work. 2 free tickets if anyone wants them. Send email or WhatsApp and I'll send them on
A lot of negative comments about the (lack of) depth of the Kerry panel I'd be questioning. A lot of focus seems to be on "Jack has failed to develop the panel" due to the low number of players used relative to others rather than a just as plausible or relevant "Kerry are sitting joint top, playing great footie at times, while missing a heap of lads you'd expect to see come championship".
They're going into the game with us without Paul Murphy, Gavin White, Mike Breen, Dan O'Donoghue (gives them something very different in that full back line, seems to be the new [if slightly more mature] face they needed), Stefan Okunbor, David Moran, and Seanie O'Shea who'd all have hoped or expected to be pushing for plenty of minutes this year. Not sure on the timelines for a few of those lads but I'd expect to see most back in and pushing before Kerry face anything too intimidating for them in the championship.
They went into the early games without 5 midfielders, playing Spillane and O'Shea out of position for most of those (was very surprised Greg Horan didn't see more game time given the injuries they had), and still managed to go unbeaten. That seems like some pretty decent squad building to me despite what the lower numbers used might suggest. Even without all those mentioned young Donal O'Sullivan who was incredibly impressive in the Sigerson isn't getting onto the list for this evening which gives an insight into the type of depth they do have.
I can't see a single line where they've got an obvious depth problem. Even the full back line they've normally struggled with seems to have some depth this year without a big drop in quality. From the few Stacks games I followed I'd imagine Dylan Casey will be pushing hard to break into that line too for Championship like O'Donoghue seems to have done.
All that said.... still fancy us to pip them. Going on the lineup chosen I'd expect to see us playing a very similar system to what we did against Dublin and make it very difficult for Kerry to play to their strengths.
Fingers crossed we get to see some minutes for Cillian O'C, Darren Coen or James Carr. All the talk about Kerry's depth issues has me wanting to wrap Aidan and Ryan in cotton wool. Our own options on natural inside forwards is looking mighty short on minutes this year.
Our forward line just isn’t potent enough without Tommy , Cillian, Doherty . I think Kerry will win by 4-5 points .
no harm at all as Kerry have been pushing near full panel for some time now . Probably to hit the championship in top form. A tactic that might hurt them at the latter end if they pick up injuries .
Draw
That’s a big blow to them
I fancy our chances !
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