The problem is they have to be flown in to Ukraine. If Ukrainians travel to Poland or Germany and fly them into Ukraine, Russia will say NATO is providing its bases for military purposes against it. If Polish or American pilots fly them into Ukraine then it could be seen as taking part in the war. Plus there is the problem of what happens if a US or NATO pilot is shot down by Russians.
The drones are shipped in crates, so those problems don’t come up.
A British army guy also said that the weapons they have been supplying are all defensive and can hardly be considered to be supplying arms that could be used to invade Russia, or attack Russian targets, they are anti-tank and anti-aircraft. The drones have a maximum range of 300km so couldn’t be sent from Ukraine to bomb Moscow for example.
Honestly I think they're trolling us now and seeing how far they can push the envelope before they get booted... which we won't do unless everyone else in the EU does
About 2 weeks before the war kicked off I read an article by an ex CIA analyst who said more than likely Russias desired end game here is to split up Ukraine into about 20-25 Federalist states so that power is decentralised from Kyiv and mounting a resistance nationally becomes more difficult. Moscow will play one state off against the others as needs arise, states that stay quiet will get funds for rebuilding, states that mount an insurgency will get bombed some more. It is pure divide and conquer tactics.
Seems from this attempt to create a Kherson Peoples Republic he was accurate in his analysis and that this is the start of it nationally. Just as they did in Crimea they'll hold quick 'elections' in all these new states under the barrel of a gun and claim to the international community that they were free and fair. All the while the FSB will be using the elections as a way to create lists of those who didnt vote and those who voted for pro Ukrainian candidates. They'll then be marked as people who are hostile to Moscow and will be surveilled and dealt with if necessary.
Also ,it takes a lot of trained crew ( and pilots) to keep a plane in the air , as well as needing protected hangers and runways to fly from ,
Ukraine still has planes of its own , but they're limited in how much they can fly -
Plenty of parts available in Poland now though .😁
Ooh I agree they are way better off, using drones etc .... But I dont see the issue with supplying them, Much more leathal stuff is being brought in from foreign airports and not a peep from the Russians. I dont see the difference between a Turkish drone taking out Russian armour or a gifted MIG29 doing the same.
What has become evident though is that Kherson is pro-Ukrainian and that it hates Putin. It would be like the UK invading Donegal and trying to set up the "pro-British enclave of Donegal" i.e. doomed to total failure.
Is Shannon still a US military refueling airport? If so, it may draw Russia military interest in the event of war between US, NATO and Russia?
That's why Russia needs to be hammered by sanctions until they leave all Ukrainian territory including the so called "self declared Republics".
Any agreement needs to include De-militarisation and De-Nazification of Russia. Removal or massive reduction in its nuclear arsenal and a change of regime in Moscow. War criminals like Putin and Lavrov be handed over to the Hague for trail.
I think they can refuel anywhere ... even in the air, Shannon could be a target but not solely for that reason IMHO
I cannot believe that I am writing this, but a really decent video by Jeremy Corbyn on March 8, decrying Putin “Some of us never supported Putin”
It won’t let me attach the link. It is on his Twitter page
They can’t even coordinate a coherent attack on those neighbours
Wrong thread!
That's what happens when you keep Boards open in more than one tab.
absolutely not is gone way past that now
Its a good question. The only thing I can think of is if the Migs are sent then they have potential to take out a lot of the Russian air force whereas the drones, despite some successes cant do that. If you read the Bayraktar drone wiki page they are a cheap Turkish built drone (built by Erdogans son in law who owns a massive arms company) but they are not stealthy, i.e they show up on radar and can be shot down by Russian air defences readily enough. There has been 50+ of them shot down in Libya in the last couple of years. Id say they are being shot down in Ukraine too, its just we are not seeing videos of it.
The sanctions would go on forever in that case. Russia would be on a par with North Korea and a pariah state.
Hard to know weather to believe this or not?
At the moment I'm not believing much from the Ukrainian side that isn't photo documented and geolocated (and essentially nothing from the russian side)
Russia use it too along with 30 + other countries, even if American had no interest in Shannon it would still be a strategic location to hold
Asuming the vast amounts of families fired at in their vehicles might be a reasonably good measure on this one....
Has anyone seen the huge piles of clothes the NGOs are dumping on the polish border , apparently alot of the clothing is unfit to be worn and now it's sitting in the open .
Stupid carry on from the NGOs
I hope you are right.
Probably mentioned already but all the historical landmarks that are lit up green for Paddys Day should be lit yellow and blue.
Which NGOs?
What is ‘paddy’s day’….?
Irish version of Vlady’s day.
Russia played the nuclear threat from the get go.
NO WAY sanctions can stop until this issue is addressed.
You don't get to threaten 8 billion people and get treated like anything other than a pariah.
Apparently there is numerous international NGOs operating on the polish/Ukrainian border,this is why governments are asking to donate to the red cross rather than sending bags of clothes to Poland
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