Russia committing war crimes, threatening nuclear war after being sanctioned and causing issues at Nuclear reactors... and some are baffled we don't want to see pro Russian propaganda?
What next, 'let's see it from Hitler's POV?' FFS.
This thread is fine, it produces a lot of useful information. In fact some may see it as too successful and want to control it.
Interestingly enough the dissemination of misinformation by the Russian Embassy in the UK is firing away and has already come under scrutiny with Twitter having to delete their content for contravening Twitter rules.
Their efforts to paint the pregnant woman injured in the Russian bombing of the maternity hospital as being a 'fake' is possibly some of the single most cowardly and pathetic efforts at trolling on that platform I've seen to date.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ukraine-linda-thomasgreenfield-twitter-instagram-london-b2034234.html
I agree. Too many Call of Duty players with a warped perception of the destructive nature of conflict. No more mature discussion on the issues and too much tit for tat childish bickering from a generation that does not have the faintest idea of the real world out there. Those of us who lived through the 80's know only too well the difficulties and fear during the Cold War. If any of them witnessed the wanton destructive power of Russian Artillery on Damascus and Alleppo, they would soon change their tune. Russia does not care about civilians, heritage or heritage buildings, schools, hospitals etc. Everything gets flattened. Most of these have never fired a weapon, have never seen the looks of total hopelessness on the faces of people who's dreams and aspirations have been literally reduced to Rubble. In Damascus in 2010, I met a Rose grower ( the flowers are used in Turkish Delight) who had a thriving business outside the city. I ended up writing a story about him. I met him again at the Direct Provision Centre in Ballaghaderreen years later, on his own, family and business destroyed, living on €20 per week in a tiny hotel room. A shell of a man. Everything he had loved now obliterated.
For those pushing for a Major intervention with Russia, be careful what you wish for. Nato are playing the long game, because it's crucial in order to save many, many more citizens, countries and societies. It's the most dangerous tightrope they've ever walked. One wrong move and the Chernobyl disaster ( and most of us remember the fear that caused across Europe over those horrendous weeks and months) will look like child's play.
Yeah it's the Ukraine thread in Politics that's gone to pot, totally overrun with trolls banned from this one
Speaking of crisps - anyone who uses sunflower oil might want to stock up. Ukraine produces 53% of world output and there might not be a crop this year.
If the West are afraid of Russia blowing up chernobyl or launching Nukes, then they have lost this war to Russia. I don't agree with NATO playing the long game. I think the longer this war goes on the more NATO will have to get stuck in, it may soon escalate to that and they may have no option when Putin comes knocking on Polands door or Baltic states. I worry for Moldova and Georgia after this war on Ukraine. They are on their own and they know it.
Poland could declare war, anex Lviv... fly MIG's there... Ukraine "fight" and could annex it back, ceasefire, peace talks... all in 24 hours and now they have captured Polish MIGs...
might aswell fight Russia with their own tactics
How is that weakness? I don’t think he’s a great president by any stretch, but he is completely correct here, it absolutely must be avoided!
As explained twitter is simply a medium. Underlying sources are the key. Perhaps you aren't familiar.
Pick the most reputable news outlets, e.g. AP, Reuters, etc, follow them on Twitter, you get all their information in one place. These aren't "Facebook moms".
It happens to most international threads, the mods have been doing a good job on this one.
Are you still beating this drum? The vitriol is aimed at Vladofl Putler and his regime. Please stop pretending otherwise - unless of course this is the narrative you are required to push. In which case, carry on.
Certainly they will have no option if Putin attacks Poland. However at that point it will make little difference if they went in now or waited for Poland to invade. Either NATO will win the land war or nukes will be launched killing millions.
At least waiting gives the possibility of it not happening and I think it is pretty likely. Putin went into Ukraine because they were not in NATO and he is scared of NATO (obviously with good reason given the army).
There are words for 'false information'. Lies and propaganda, for example. Why should 'we in the West' tolerate lies and propaganda? How would that make us 'better'?
WP reporting that the Americans may send more advanced systems to Ukraine, anti-air and other weapons.
The Italians just got their hands on one of the biggest private yachts in the world
Ah yes, 'standpoint'. That's a word we use here all the time in Ireland.
By all accounts this morning it appears the assault on Kyiv is about to begin. This could go lightning quick. Looks like the only question left is will Zelensky be captured or killed in the assault?
You'd think Putin would want to make sure he is captured at this point given the symbolism and high regard he has developed in the west. If something happened it's creating a martyr.
Seems unclear if the option to flee is still realistic with the city nearly surrounded.
who said it has to be anti russian?... stirring anti British, anti NATO and to a broader extent, anti Europe, anti vax etc... dissent just enough to plant the seed of doubt is usually the goal...
boards is a sesspit of examples of this
Zelensky won't be fleeing for sure
As has been mentioned quite a few times in the thread, that is world war 3. NATO would crush Russian conventional forces, Putin would be forced to used nuclear strikes, game over for everyone.
He seems like the world's worst poker player. 'Here's my hand - see' ....'here it is again, in case you missed it the first time'
Unfortunately, people are losing their lives as a result so it's not remotely amusing. There probabaly hasn't been such blatently poor and stupid signalling from the US since their ambassador gave Saddam Hussein the go ahead to invade Kuwait.
<On 25 July 1990, April Glaspie, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border.[31]
The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, "inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion" on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab–Arab conflicts".[31]
Glaspie also indicated to Saddam Hussein that the United States did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait>wiki..
Not only did Biden say a minor incursion would be OK, he firmly stated the US wouldn't get involved. That was a real WTF? moment for me. I would have told the Ukraine ambassador the situation in secrecy and to seriously prepare, while moving large numbers of A-10's, Apache's troops and such to Europe as quietly as possible with no public announcements of the moves or their purpose. Let Russian intelligence tell Vlad about them.
Release his body, more like. The Russians have probably murdered him already.
Ya that was my point
He's showing Putin his hand
The idea of coldwar politics was that neither side blinked first
I think in the end they will flee to oversee a govt in exile. Though whether that's still an option to leave no one knows.
Only alternative is be captured or killed. When it comes to Russia both of those options are as bad as each other.
Urban combat is typically slow and brutal.
Russian BMP making sure civillians can't use their car to flee.
Usual disclaimer, pinch of salt, but apparently Ukrainians are engineering drones to carry RPG-7 munitions, with some success. Hopefully they can start to mass manufacture these things, along with receiving more Bayraktar and other drones from abroad.
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