I suspect something has gotten totally lost in translation here - 'attacks on Russians' almost certainly refers to Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine. Attacks on innocent Russian people living in most parts of the world would be completely illegal under every law going.
If @TheValeyard is quoting TsunTzu or Stephen Walts Quoting of TsunTzu - Absolutely - The Ukrainians give him a kicking in the Ukraine, AND a golden bridge to retreat over.. They dont have to be mutually exclusive
This is about survival. The Ukraine is fighting a war for their survival. I believe in them, and they are performing WELL above what was expected. The western world is assisting in what way it can economically, and volunteers are incoming
ANALOGY: If this was a football match. Russia need a win. 20 minutes in they are getting held up by a massive over performance from their opponents. who have the crowd behind them. FULLY behind them. A phone call to the Russian coach, signalling that a result elsewhere means a DRAW WILL DO? Can only be a good thing
The golden bridge is the off ramp
I would hope that the kicking makes the Golden Bridge look like diamond encrusted platinum
Under which category attacks on Putin and Lavrov fall
Is it really hate-speech if you're calling for invading soldiers to be killed? That's sort of what war's all about. It's mostly about killing. That being said, facebook should die a death but I'm a bit less annoyed about facebook allowing that than I am about Russians bombing schools, hospitals, residential areas, children, families etc.
It's a matter of scale for me.
The EU ( especially ) but also the rest of the world were caught wrong footed and unprepared for this invasion ( despite Putins prior history) It will prove to be an expensive lesson, but it will be well learned. I would not see this being allowed to happen ever again. There will be a mass exodus of dependency on other Country's, as soon as that can be organized, even if it will take some years. It will give a big boost to "Greening" policys, reduction of dependency on fossil fuels and reducing dependency on Chinese ( and other ) cheap manufacturing. ( which is turning out to be not so cheap now ) In every way possible, the EU ( especially ) and the west in general, will fortify themselves in every way possible.
I will indeed believe what I want, thanks.
They want to temporality allow what?
Andrei Kozyrev interview on MSNBC.
Disagree with this. They should be consistent in application of core policies. Hate speech is hate speech. Facebook has too much power. If they really wanted to they could dictate any narrative.
I wonder do young people in Russia have any sense of how things about to change for them. They are used to international products and services.
Reality tends not to impinge on your average both sides gobsh*te unfortunately. Theirs is a world where a Ukrainian rocket at a Russian airbase is the same as indiscriminate attacks on civilian population centres is the same thing
Perhaps in the future we can work out a final solution to the false dichotomy approach.... Doh! I've triggered you again.
They can use roubles to wipe their ar$es as its not much use for anything else!
They are about to experience time travel back to a time when their grandparents qued for a loaf of bread ,the generation who grew up with the Kardashians and some freedom are about suddenly live in a cold dark society
below is how I see the scenario playing out for both sides-
Bolstered by defensive assistance from NATO members, Ukraine’s military and civilian resistance overcome the odds and grind Moscow’s advance to a halt, preventing Russian President Vladimir Putin from toppling Kyiv’s democratic government and establishing a puppet regime. The determination and skill of the Ukrainian resistance forces a stalemate on the battlefield that favors the defenders.
Soon, it becomes obvious to the Kremlin that Russia will pay an exorbitant price for its adventurism—including the prospect of a long and costly slog in Ukraine, coupled with economic collapse and diplomatic isolation. Putin sullenly orders a withdrawal of his troops. Ukraine remains a sovereign democracy, while Moscow’s defeat accelerates domestic discontent that has already begun emerging across Russia. Putin turns to focusing on the growing internal threats to his power. Meanwhile, NATO is faced with an improved security situation, as Russia is chastened and Ukraine grows ever closer to the West.
However, the security situation in Europe does not return to the prewar status quo. The short war has claimed thousands of lives on both sides, leaving widespread bitterness in its wake. And although a democratic Ukraine emerges intact if not unscathed, its still-dangerous neighbor faces an uncertain future with the Russian political landscape at a tipping point. Whether the country leans toward greater authoritarianism under Putin, or away from him altogether, will largely determine how Russia behaves with the rest of the world.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/four-ways-the-war-in-ukraine-might-end/
@Kermit.de.frog
Most of those soldiers either don't understand what any of this is about or don't want to be there at all.
Great. Those ones should go home or desert, then. If they're going to carry on shooting, regardless, I'm afraid they're kind of out of luck.
As Louis CK said, when a soldier dies, it is a tragedy. Of course. Of course. But....mayyyybe .....if a soldier is killed in a foreign land by the guy he was just shooting at, maybe it's not that weird?
You need to reread my post.
The e.g. BBC is not "the same" as Russian state sponsored news. Lazy false equivalence. On the spectrum of quality of sources they are far higher. That doesn't make them infallible, they are just one source, which is why, if you read my post, you'll see I mentioned I have a half dozen news sources open at any one time. I take info from a wide variety of sources, including European outlets, Middle Eastern outlets, even Russian outlets (to see what they are saying), plus many independent sources. I also mentioned that in war it's very hard to verify information, which is why we often have to build a picture with what we have. Actually, just read my post instead of dragging out the usual "Western media is just the same as Russia media, the first casualty of war is truth" line.
I want Ukraine to be as violent as possible against the Russians. I want them to incinerate 100 thousand Russian soldiers in the next week if possible. The Russians are destroying a peaceful country for no reason at all.
I want Putin to be Ceaucescued. Since when is the death of megalomaniacal dictators who are a threat to the existence of the world a bad thing?
The entirely rational reaction both for Ukrainians and for the world is hatred for Russia.
Russia is waging a barbaric war of aggression against a peaceful country. They are bombing maternity hospitals. They are slaughtering people in their homes. They are using tanks to blow elderly couples in their cars to death. They are using thermobaric bombs. They are blowing city squares to smithereens with cruise missiles. They are threatening to use chemical weapons. They are threatening to use nuclear weapons as part of that war of aggression. They are trying to genocide a people out of existence.
Russia are the Nazis.
What reasonable person wouldn't hate them?
Is hatred of Nazis supposed to be a bad thing now?!
The west bans the import of everything Russian, The Russians respond with banning exports lol . So now Russia is sanctioning itself , dumb fcks
History will not look kindly on Biden over his cowardly approach to Putin. Putin would not dare attack another counter, if others went into Ukraine to defend it.
The west will do alright without Russian products. I can't even think of any apart from gas and Ladas. In reality they need us more than we need them.
Let me explain komrade. You know sometimes on Facebook you get tips on how to poison rats? ,well putin and lavrov would come under that category.
But, but, but haven't you heard about how all this is really the West's fault? They poked the Russian bear!
Narcissist 101 - start beating the sh*t out of someone while explaining to them how they're really doing this beating to themselves.
You're talking to Captain Crank. He or she was all over the Trump thread before, loudly claiming fraud with no evidence.
Ah okay! Seems a few cards short of a full deck alright!
Is there a '' enough is enough'' point, where the world goes in, and wipes out the Russians.
This is the most detailed analysis of Putin that I've heard so far - compelling viewing
Bear in mind she doesn't realise that although she's still on camera during the questions, it isn't going to be edited out
https://youtu.be/kSNo2FPQDQw
If anybody wants to see the Russian side of what is going on in Ukraine then I suggest looking up ASB Military News on telegram they were on Twitter but Twitter recently suspended their account for some reason.
Before anybody attacks me, I am no way endorsing anything that is said by ASB. Just if you want to have a look over at the other side of what may be happening in Ukraine.
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