Cool. I just disagree with you
I will listen to what RT have to say and everyone else for that matter but only after Russia has ceased its operation and left Ukraine. In fact I would be advising the Ukrainian delegation at these talks to tell lavrov and his cronies not to bother turning up the next day unless they have putins head in a bag!
Yes we do. Through approved news outlets.
A lot of people here were calling for RT and the likes to be made harder to access here and at the same time, excused blatant Ukrainian propaganda as necessary.
I'm uneasy with that.
That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hope it hasn't already been posted..
We still get to hear regular Russian disinformation through Lavrov, Putin and their diplomats.
It roughly translates as 'Sadistic Military Onslaught', not to be confused with war of aggression.
Absolutely, and unless the pregnant women on stretchers were there for the optics only, we have an indication that the hospital was indeed being used as a hospital - I haven't quoted you accidentally DJ, we parted on good terms on that other thread I think : )
It hasn't invaded Ukraine. It is performing a military operation in Ukraine.
Isn't that right, @[Deleted User] ?
There has been a large independent news media contingent covering this criminal war.
Thats fair enough Dan and I don't necessarily disagree with you.
But just because you don't want to hear/aren't interested in hearing anything pro-russian, doesn't mean others aren't. Making channels like RT less available to people who may be interested in hearing it, is, in my opinion, counter productive.
We all know that propaganda is used on both sides. Stifling one side's just because you agree with the opposite side, isn't a good idea in my opinion.
The ones who cheered on the Ukranian fighter aces and the 'Heroes of Snake Island'?
I think one thing your missing is not just that Russia are lying ongoing. They have lied consistently for a long time about everything. Why should their news sources be indulged to spew their **** everywhere?
Even if what they are saying is true, they are a bad faith actor who are completely untrustworthy.
I happen to think that until Russia ceases fire and gets out of Ukraine that yes we should discount anything pro Russian! The tyrant and his regime have thought carefully about what they were going to do and knew the consequences in terms of Ukraine men women and children being slaughtered + their own military and yet went ahead. So no I'm not interested in anything pro Russian until they get rid of putin.
There's no question that Russia is FAR WORSE than the West when it comes to freedom of the press, state-sponsored propaganda etc.
However Ukraine is not the West, they are similar to Russia in terms of corruption, jailing journalists, jailing political opponents etc. The main difference is Russia is completely crap at lying, whereas Ukraine have adopted a polished Western-style PR campaign with memes, misrepresented videos, movie-style speeches, etc.
The information coming out of Ukraine is approximately as unreliable as the information coming out of Russia. People are just eating it up, without any attempt to fact-check or even apply common sense to it. We have blocked the majority of media from Russia so we're getting a one-sided disinformation campaign and just gobbling it up.
Bullshit
Incredulous volte face from the Tories. But unsurprising I guess. All of this was perfectly clear in 2012 but action only taken now because they are forced to. Shameful.
I haven't seen anything about Ukraine forces in that courtyard, could you provide a source?
You can face years in jail for supporting Russia in this war in the Czech Republic.
Banning TV stations is something I don't ever remember Ireland doing before now. There was censorship during WWII ('the Emergency')
There was a photo floating around of some Russian troops in Ukraine with WWII-like tin pot helmets while others only had beanie hats.
How do you keep a straight face posting this stuff?
Its hardly news that a very small percentage of the Ukranian military are composed of the controversial Azov Battalion, which are known to use the sun symbol among its insignia.
But as you're interested in the problems with Nazis. Maybe you would be good enough to explain why Putin who supposedly hates Nazis so much that he invaded an independent country. Is himself employing the Russian Nazi Wagner mercenary group in Ukraine?
And why is this Nazi group is not only a favourite of Putins but that they have been rewarded for their "services" to mother Russia?
Dmitry Utkin is the founder of the infamous Wagner mercenary group.... In 2016, Utkin was invited at a Hero of the Fatherland reception in the Kremlin, where he was photographed wearing his medals. This event was attended by more than 300 soldiers and civilians, who have “demonstrated particular courage and heroism” and were personally thanked for their service by Putin himself. At the event he was awarded with the Order for Courage, allegedly for his services in Ukraine.
Well, that and one country invaded a sovereign country for absolutely no reason other that the personal whims of a megalomaniac and proceeded to try and pulverise cities inhabited by civilians. Does Ukraine trying to defend itself in urban warfare started by the other side somehow both sides the issue?
Just a short while ago Russia was saying it was not going to invade Ukraine.
Real whack of trump coming down the escalator from that.
In doing what?
here are two facts.
In Russia at the moment you get 15 years in jail for spreading western propaganda.
In Europe and western countries you get a big fat zero years in jail for spreading pro Putin propaganda.
To me that says it all.
The more I read the more convinced I am of what I though last week, Putin will keep going til he can destroy Ukraine as much as possible. Whether that's turning everything to dust or accepting a surrender and running the people out of the country depends on how things pan out.
The thread is great at being able to identify the chronically gullible
Come off it, even you are not that stupid.
It's a neo-nazi symbol because she is a member of a neo-nazi battalion.
Western media have been reporting about the rising neo-nazi problem in Ukraine for years. Here's a Guardian report on neo-nazi children's camps run by Azov. He mentions there are 60 such camps in Kharkiv alone, and he plans to expand. When jihadists do this we call it indocrination and we condemn it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiBXmbkwiSw
UK government now characterising Roman Abrahamovich as one of "Putin's Top Oligarchs"
Guh?
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