I can understand why NATO wouldn't implement one, but I can also understand why Ukraine is asking. There are no good answers regarding what NATO should do, only less sh*t ones.
they will just hand over the urn
Some interesting comments
Putin runs a mafia gang that steals the wealth of the Russian people and uses lies and propaganda to shift the blame onto outsiders for all the woes of the Russian people. Putin appeals to the nationalist who suffers from lost of empire that happened after the fall of the USSR. You can like Russians, their wonderful culture and achievements and hate their evil fascist government at the same time.
Implementing a no-fly zone would directly trigger confrontation between Russia and NATO forces.
As bad as what's happening in Ukraine is, why make it infinitely worse - potentially civilisation-ending - by implementing this no-fly zone?
It's the stuff of insanity.
Slightly inconvenient that a large number of them won't ever be going home.
I wonder how they spin that one.
"Where is my beloved son, O Great and Strong Fuhrer?"
"Ehhhh....fascists! Drugs!! Lenin!!! NATO!!!!"
"That's your answer for everything."
"Have this traitor fall out a window".
Ukraine to NATO for the last 2 weeks, and probably for however long this all lasts...
Amazing Putin is admitting to this BS. He just looks weak... BUT, now that he has admitted it, are all the conscripts about to go home?
Shur, it's only a special operation, nothing nasty like a war. Why would they be needed?
"Hey, I'm the REAL victim here."
-Putler
Migs carry heavier payloads they can also shoot down russian aircraft
This is a good summary piece of the American intel:
At a Tory conference it was suggested to bomb Russia.
I just don't see where the value is. They can roughly same damage with drones.
I think they want to keep their plight front and centre of NATOs thinking. And they'd be right.
Do you know how they get the Migs into the Migrolls?
seriously though could they not just turn off their transponders and fly under the radar in darkness?
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I have a feeling that this might already be going on. I can't tell of course without knowing what the activity at the home base of the last Polish MiG-29 Squadron, the 41st at Swidwin air base is like, but given how quickly every announcement about the "transfer" of MiGs gets shot down, it seems to me like those denials may just be a PR exercise.
If it's a terrible idea, do you think the Ukrainians know that and are just asking as a general way to keep pressure on the West to help out as much as possible?
Take the fall out a window alright.
Honestly - to freak out and demoralize the Russians - and to keep pressure on for no fly zones and planes - with the hope that it tempers Russian shelling and atrocities-
Russia has destroyed its
They have crossed the Rubicon diplomatically - as long as Putin remains - Russia is the Equiv of North Korea
Personally I think having the migs is just a terrible idea, due to the amount of coordination required to fly it and target the right places.
I mean, right now, if its flying, they just shoot it down. If they add their own lads up there, it adds to the equation.
Is this genuine do you reckon? just seems so overly the top brazen. Real soldiers don't usually talk so openly like this.
Here's an interesting read from 2016
Sounds like someone under putin is about to take the fall.
Sorry, but I stupidly thought that I was on the Russian thread and not the Syrian thread. Silly me!
You realise that you are diminishing the horrors of what happened. Yes, agreed that these crimes against humanity happened elsewhere. But we must never be inured to the absolute unfettered evil.
Feeling horrified for Ukraine does not mean that I think that it is okay in Syria. But it is not relevant to this discussion
What if a few tasty Migs were to just 'fall off a lorry' just inside the Ukrainian border with Poland?
I mean why would the commander in chief know anything about his own armed forces.
You just can't get the help these days. Poor Vlad will just have to go and murder some children himself at this rate.
It was painful and is direct encouragement for Putin.
Ha, I was literally thinking the same myself.
They've declared war on truth, in addition to Ukraine.
Well it clearly puts the ball in the US and NATO's court w.r.t. supplying the planes. The argument Poland was making was that any intervention which has the possibility of triggering a NATO response should be agreed on and executed by NATO as a whole and not just a single member state acting ostensibly alone.
Which assumes it all wasn't some sort of elaborate play for the benefit of Russia.
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