When are off to take - just wondering who else is signing up with you?
This has been happening all through time. You can join the Ukrainian army if you're so angry about it.
The Migs may represent some sort of escalation tripwire communicated by the Kremlin via back channels. It's essentially a doubling in size of the Ukrainian fleet of Migs.
My instinct says f*ck it, fly them to Lviv and let rip, but obviously, Nato know more than we're getting.
What do you suggest we do when every two bit dictator in future invades wherever they want and gets away with it by making vague threats of nuclear weapons - precisely because Putin got away with it in 2022?
That's a world of tyranny.
I'm a bit surprised at this, as it was announced earlier like as if it was happening and it now looks like Poland didn't really consult with the US, yet seemed to think they were on board with it when they clearly hadn't agreed to anything.
I fully understand the sense of urgency, but they'd also want to be a little more careful to communicate through NATO and not the media on stuff like this.
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On The List: No reason to doubt thats the case. I have seen (and heard) evidence of that myself
Your hypothetical is shocking and horrid. In all honesty i consider myself a moral person. Any my heart would advocate that we intervene. I should point out however, that this has happened before.
And do you know what the west did!? ...... ZERO.............
Right now in North Korea there are ACTUAL CONCENTRATION CAMPS where lethal experiments are conducted on MEN, WOMEN, And CHILDREN (links at the bottom) - Do you know what the west done in reaction to these atrocities??? do i even need to tell you???? - thats right - ZERO
Listen - slag, jeer, bemoan me all you want. i am not lying to you. I am actually giving my honest opinion -
By all means take the moral high ground with me if you want. but understand it changes nothing. I am being honest with you. The west will do what it is currently doing. Which is A LOT - but not enough - but also, ALL THEY CAN -
and that wont change - and i am sorry if you dont like that. for the record neither do i.
But reality owes us no apology
Off you go.
Getting out of the Russian fire line. Russians said that they will treat flying fighter jets from neighboring countries into Ukraine as declaring war. That's why the Polish gov doesn't want to do it directly from Polish air bases. They put USA in a bit awkward position with that offer. We'll see what happens next...
Good to see a few cool calculating heads in the Pentagon. At least for the time being.
We in the west will continue to stand idly by as innocent Ukrainians are slaughtered in their droves by the Russian Nazis. For shame.
There's Likely highly dangerous **** there but as we well know Russia has been we'll verses in bio and chemical weapons , but for the past two weeks Russia has claimed they for 20 + of these secret labs and apparently qanon has jumped on it ,
This will be the new excuse to why putin invaded and it will be claimed he was righly justified to invade
what a mess
It sounds like the American's have changed their approach, Ukraine will have better success using SAM in coordination with 'untouchable' early warning detection from outside the country. They may be right, a few dozen Mig 29s are not going to win the skies and the Russian air defences are first rate. The Russians can operate a lot of these air defences from Belarus too.
Given his contentious past he’s quite conceivably the b@stard son of a 1000 lunatics.
America not in favour of Poland sending planes to Ukraine, it seems.
No doubt about it, America is not keen at all about getting involved in a European conflict. At least for now.
They had to be dragged into the 1st and 2nd world wars.
Protection, remember Poland didn't send the migs to Ukraine ,
Poland gave their mig 29s to America via Germany.
Therefore America gave Ukraine 23 Migs and not Poland , Putin then has a choice hit America or sit there and take it
I see from one of the other posts here that the hero of right wing conspiraloons, Glenn Greenwald, is going full right wing conspiraloon. Who could have guessed.
Glenn Greenwald has never met a Russian peddled conspiracy theory he doesn't like.
Huh? What counts as "large numbers" in this context?
They have sent several flights of 100+ helicopters to land airborne troops; albeit during the first days of the invasion before they started losing so many aircraft. They have reportedly lost several large troop transports also trying to deliver airborne troops.
So the Russian economy is about to collapse.
Be interesting to know what's going on on the ground there.
Well they must be up to something dangerous or she would not be concerned would she ?
I think everyone has that friend who for whatever reason, has long harboured some weird fascination and under the surface admiration for dictator types like Putin. Perhaps it's the fantasy of omnipotence, "if I were king" daydreams, and an underlying frustration with how our societies are structured - something that Putin has long-mocked.
He offers a vision of a simpler world in a complex globalized reality; of ethnocentricism and the power of the volk (I firmly believe his Russian nationalism is flirting with becoming far too close to you know who).
Ukraine for them is an abstract, and not a country. It's just an obstacle to be trodden underfoot in Putin's great game with the West. Something that they vicariously enjoy in a perverse manner. Putin's world is one where overt power is to be respected and feared, and niceties like multilateralism and consultative democracy are to be mocked. Not because they are pointless and signals of weakness, but precisely because they stand between the omnipotent individual and what they want - unaccountability. Like every autocrat, Putin becomes a canvass and an avatar for these people's failings in everyday life, and an escape from that reality.
It's deeply psychological.
Looks fairly black and white to me. Unless of course you want and hope to read something into it.
1. There are some chemical or weapons labs in Ukraine. That are Ukrainian.
2. Ukraine have shown no history of using bio weapons.
3. Russia has form in this department so per rubios question and Rubio is a prick BTW. She states that yes it is a concern and that if they are used its on Russia.
This is all fairly bloody obvious so why twist it.
unfortunately American drone strikes have lowered the bar so - combined with kidnapping and totrture internment the list goes on - whose right and wrong?
What was the logic of flying Polish jets to US base first?!
But in real life! I don't know why anyone is fixated on them on here.
Chances are they're from the Soviet era and Ukraine inherited them ,I Don't think they are American controlled or American built labs .
But I get the feeling here comes 500+ page's of conspiracy theories
I don't understand this 'concern'
your foreign intelligence agencies and the white house have been reporting for a month before the invasion that 'Putin will invade'
why not take care of this then ??
Eh; the driver in question was arguably only driving for the team because his father is a billionaire Russian with a controlling stake in their main sponsor. So I'm not sure I would be using this particular decision as an example of "going too far".
Putin is definitely not a communist though, probably never really was. So I don't think Soviet Communist parallels are that strong.
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