The Russians have a list of around 2 million Ukrainians who comprise their civil socitey, whom the Russians plan to expunge. They have their names and addresses already and I have seen some fleeting clues that they are already going door to door in places.
The risk can and should be taken. Here's a little thought experiment based on the above.
Let's say Russia sets up concentration camps with gas chambers and starts exterminating one million Ukrainians a month, so potentially a 42 month run.
Is there any point while such a thing unfolds where you stop saying a risk can't be taken, or would you continue to hold that view for 42 months?
If your nerve would break after x million were slaughtered, then you should have intervened at the start before the camps were ever erected.
My moral compass does not hold that you can sit it out that you should take the risk. To me, the idea that there is no cost too great to suffer because of a percieved greater risk is unimaginable.
I don't need to watch 2 million of Ukraines best and brightest expunged to know that preventing that attrocity is a risk worth taking now and shouldn't be something debated with regret in hindsight.
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Why would NATO intervene ? It's not as if Ukraine will be making anything dangerous there is it. Why would Nuland be concerned, do you think she knows what is going on there ?
Polish may get a fleet of F-16's in return and Ukrainian pilots won't require much training for the upgraded Mig-29's so it's a positive move.
Incidentally watching the refugee reports from Poland and elsewhere - the welcome and support strangers are willing to offer has restored some of my faith in humanity.
Unbelievable, they will be blaming Putin next for it.
Generally you'll find it's the decadent and depraved anti-woke cult that calls everybody they disagree with "Nazis".
But when a dictator denies the right to existence of a neighbouring state and people, openly talks about returning to the borders of an imperial empire which was banished over a century ago, and unleashes a barbaric war of aggression upon a peaceful neighbour, suddenly they object to the use of the term "Nazi".
It would almost make you think they had an actual soft spot for actual Nazis.
There's loads of them in this thread hotmail.
Spoke too soon
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1501333459972800527?t=jfh63mP5jeghkVFU98HNMQ&s=19
This was laughable. One image shows him in a round backed chair. The video shows him speaking in a different chair 🤣
Putin is definitely not a communist though, probably never really was. So I don't think Soviet Communist parallels are that strong.
Eh; the driver in question was arguably only driving for the team because his father is a billionaire Russian with a controlling stake in their main sponsor. So I'm not sure I would be using this particular decision as an example of "going too far".
I don't understand this 'concern'
your foreign intelligence agencies and the white house have been reporting for a month before the invasion that 'Putin will invade'
why not take care of this then ??
Chances are they're from the Soviet era and Ukraine inherited them ,I Don't think they are American controlled or American built labs .
But I get the feeling here comes 500+ page's of conspiracy theories
But in real life! I don't know why anyone is fixated on them on here.
What was the logic of flying Polish jets to US base first?!
unfortunately American drone strikes have lowered the bar so - combined with kidnapping and totrture internment the list goes on - whose right and wrong?
Looks fairly black and white to me. Unless of course you want and hope to read something into it.
1. There are some chemical or weapons labs in Ukraine. That are Ukrainian.
2. Ukraine have shown no history of using bio weapons.
3. Russia has form in this department so per rubios question and Rubio is a prick BTW. She states that yes it is a concern and that if they are used its on Russia.
This is all fairly bloody obvious so why twist it.
I think everyone has that friend who for whatever reason, has long harboured some weird fascination and under the surface admiration for dictator types like Putin. Perhaps it's the fantasy of omnipotence, "if I were king" daydreams, and an underlying frustration with how our societies are structured - something that Putin has long-mocked.
He offers a vision of a simpler world in a complex globalized reality; of ethnocentricism and the power of the volk (I firmly believe his Russian nationalism is flirting with becoming far too close to you know who).
Ukraine for them is an abstract, and not a country. It's just an obstacle to be trodden underfoot in Putin's great game with the West. Something that they vicariously enjoy in a perverse manner. Putin's world is one where overt power is to be respected and feared, and niceties like multilateralism and consultative democracy are to be mocked. Not because they are pointless and signals of weakness, but precisely because they stand between the omnipotent individual and what they want - unaccountability. Like every autocrat, Putin becomes a canvass and an avatar for these people's failings in everyday life, and an escape from that reality.
It's deeply psychological.
Well they must be up to something dangerous or she would not be concerned would she ?
So the Russian economy is about to collapse.
Be interesting to know what's going on on the ground there.
Huh? What counts as "large numbers" in this context?
They have sent several flights of 100+ helicopters to land airborne troops; albeit during the first days of the invasion before they started losing so many aircraft. They have reportedly lost several large troop transports also trying to deliver airborne troops.
I see from one of the other posts here that the hero of right wing conspiraloons, Glenn Greenwald, is going full right wing conspiraloon. Who could have guessed.
Glenn Greenwald has never met a Russian peddled conspiracy theory he doesn't like.
Protection, remember Poland didn't send the migs to Ukraine ,
Poland gave their mig 29s to America via Germany.
Therefore America gave Ukraine 23 Migs and not Poland , Putin then has a choice hit America or sit there and take it
America not in favour of Poland sending planes to Ukraine, it seems.
No doubt about it, America is not keen at all about getting involved in a European conflict. At least for now.
They had to be dragged into the 1st and 2nd world wars.
Given his contentious past he’s quite conceivably the b@stard son of a 1000 lunatics.
It sounds like the American's have changed their approach, Ukraine will have better success using SAM in coordination with 'untouchable' early warning detection from outside the country. They may be right, a few dozen Mig 29s are not going to win the skies and the Russian air defences are first rate. The Russians can operate a lot of these air defences from Belarus too.
what a mess
There's Likely highly dangerous **** there but as we well know Russia has been we'll verses in bio and chemical weapons , but for the past two weeks Russia has claimed they for 20 + of these secret labs and apparently qanon has jumped on it ,
This will be the new excuse to why putin invaded and it will be claimed he was righly justified to invade
We in the west will continue to stand idly by as innocent Ukrainians are slaughtered in their droves by the Russian Nazis. For shame.
Good to see a few cool calculating heads in the Pentagon. At least for the time being.
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