Not since the Spanish civil war has this happened.
Go and do one.
I'm not about to spend the next 5 pages explaining another post to you because of your inability to read.
could mean nato putting planes in air space russians are not there in yet ...and waiting to see if they chicken out
i mean you COULD back down if they didn't ...
Clever move by Russia. The West can't reciprocate by declaring on war on the place that Russia gets its military equipment from because that place is 1987, from the looks of things.
Bitchy .....
Oddly enough I said this would all happen 8 years ago ,
Some people hey .
LOL you genius
I still find it surreal that there can be a discussion about nuclear weapons potentially being used and it’s not in the conspiracy forum, how quickly the things can change.
Well tbf if that was the case, it could only be matched by your singular inabilitiy to put together a coherent argument, much like the example given
Mosin Nagant rifle.
Exceptional fire arm and often used by snipers but as you say many100 years old
No it wouldn't mean anyone shooting at each other or Nato bombing sites in Russia ,
It just means Nato deterring Russia from entering Ukrainian airspace , can't see Russian pilots wanting to go toe 2 toe with US or Nato aircraft considering what we see in Ukraine over the last 13 days
But the purpose of Boards is for people from different backgrounds to convene and to share their opinions on topical issues in Irish society. Nobody comes here with the expressed intent on seeking the definitive opinion on a matter based on what some lad on Boards says. Points are debated and scrutinised. It is really up to people to discern the information from the misinformation. Unlike a news website, there is actual discussion around sources and veracity. It is unlikely that many of us are experts and I think most understand this.
What is the difference between Boards and a chat with some lads in the pub? And if you censor the “misinformation” on Boards, surely you will need to censor the shite talk by Johnny in the pub? And then where does it end?
What did you horoscope that would happen? That some half Imperialist military $hitpile would invade some other territory? Well done, that's not only been happening the last 20 years, its been happening the last 800 years.
Well, nuclear weapons aren't a conspiracy, they're real and they kill.
Sadly, we lack the Jewish Space Lasers to shoot down ICBMs. Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine still reigns.
Are you judging the people of Ukraine from the comfort of your armchair?
We'll stockpile the Xanax and let the hysterical know if Putin gets what he wants and its safe to come out. No one wants a war in Europe, no one wants a nuclear strike. How many wars have the great powers fought since Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How many have resulted in nuclear strikes? Grab a paper bag and take a few deep breaths.
I am just making the point even if there is a nuclear fallout here we don’t know to what extent this will go.
It could be contained very quickly by the military response from the west.
The ‘end of the world’ armageddon scenario painted by some posters here is highly unlikely.
I cannot believe that a world leader is throwing about threats of using nuclear weapons and his troops have twice attacked nuclear facilities and this is actually happening
On a somewhat related note, Syria could be an interesting spot to put pressure on Putin as the civil war isn't anywhere close to being resolved. Right now, Assad's regime is basically being propped up by the Russians, but with the focus on Ukraine, plus sanctions etc., resupplying those troops is going to be a fair bit more difficult now. A well timed offensive by the Turkish backed FSA or the coalition backed Kurds might start causing Assad/Russia some serious difficulties, or at the very least drag some of the Kremlins focus and resources away from Ukraine.
Greg Palast has posted the security assurances given to Ukraine in 1994.
Russia has already violated #1 and #2 of that agreement so why would Ukraine agree to any terms offered now?
Please tell me you are not being serious.
So basically declaring a no fly zone and then hoping Russians adhere to it. If they call that bluff, you're fecked if you're not willing to fight them.
In summary - Da bleeeedin neck!
I do not think our politicians are particularly corrupt now, or at least on a scale of 1-10, we were at an 8 back in 2007 and we are at a 2 or a 3 now.
There is no money in NOT building property. Nobody gives you money to not build. The brown envelopes that Fianna Fail did such a great trade in during the bubble were for planning permissions, rezonings and that sort of thing - trying to get stuff built.
But that's for another thread. I don't see how we could take 100,000 refugees, but if we could we probably should.
Putin will never be in the Hague and doubtless his friends in China and Syria and Israel will be happy to host him in future.
His downfall is far from certain
Really? And there was I thinking all Ukrainian men are henceforth conscripted, even if they’ve never held a weapon before. If they can do it, so can you. Off you go to join the international brigade, or dispense with the guff.
No, a no fly zone by NATO would be exactly what putin would love to see. It would be the first time in 20 years he'd get a rush of blood to his little head without the assistance of viagra. It would give him the perfect excuse/reason/propaganda coup to claim to his subjects that the West is out to get them. He's already trying the American/Iraq WMD in Ukraine for just that purpose of the existential Western threat pretense, just like the Yank leadership tried back then with Iraq. A no fly zone would hand that to him on a plate.
It`s bigger than that, there`s been a sea change.
The world has been living in a bit of a fantasy for the past two decades or so doing business with whoever you want. That`s over now. The EU/USA and China/Russia are just so incomparable now commerce isn`t enough to push them together anymore.
Russia isn`t leaving Ukraine anytime soon (to admit defeat would be the end of Putin) and the west aren`t backing down from sanctions (to do that would give Putin carte blanche to take Moldova and Georgia and he`d keep going until he was stopped).
So we`ll be paying at the pumps and the check out counter for the foreseeable future. We`re in a new age cold war now and its fantasy to think we`re going back to how it was.
You're wrong I'm afraid.
The first city that would likely be hit with a Russian nuke is Berlin. Most of the targets will be across Europe not only the United States. The warheads will be devastating upon detonation and then by their after effects of fallout and soil irradiation.
Ireland would likely not be struck by any warheads, instead we'd die slowly from the immense levels of nuclear fallout from the warheads used against the United Kingdom and the United States.
Mutually assured destruction has worked as a deterrent because reasonably rational people have been at the helm up until now. At this stage all bets are off.
The Northies get a mention in that treaty!!
Maybe Paul Givan & Michelle O'Neill could be sent as a joint delegation given there ain't much happening at Stormont these days.
Remember ah sure it's not going to happen.
I wasn’t saying nuclear weapons were a conspiracy I meant from the perspective of it staring us in the face as an immediate concern.
Imagine the response people would of gotten barely 2 weeks ago, if they’d said Putin is gonna threaten the world with nuclear war and start picking out individual countries to threaten if they joined NATO.
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