If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
It isn't.
Neutrality is not enshrined in the constitution, so a government of the day can change it if they want to.
Eamon Dunphy's latest podcast with Diarmaid Ferriter is a worthwhile listen as if smashes away many of the presupposed arguments we have about our 'neutrality'.
What makes you believe they are murdering and raping thousands? You need a lot of evidence to back that conjecture up.
And the fact is, our foreign policy is to go on peacekeeping missions under the umbrella of the UN, knowing full well that any of the 5 top members have a veto.
Yes, I am well aware of that fact at present, hence why this discussion to perhaps remove the triple lock. You are afraid to remove it, in case we go full savage.
So why the taunt about the British mark?
It's not a taunt it's a fact. For the most prominent defender of all things SF/PIRA, it's kinda funny that you are OK with the Brits having a veto on our foreign policy.
I have repeatedly said I accept our foreign policy and that to achieve it under the widest umbrella possible is the only way to do it.
Great, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am. Pity you didn't think of the above before you advocated the invasion of the North.
Curious logic, what are we going to get for our defence spend using that logic? I'll tell you, we would be more likely to shoot ourselves in the foot than anything else.
Couldn't agree with you more. It would be naive to think otherwise. So yes I think we should join Nato or a European Army. We are sitting ducks. For those who think otherwise, look out your window right now and visualise an invading army on your street, burning buildings, families torn apart, fear in children's eyes. It's a reality right now in Ukraine. Who's next?
We don't need Sams ,
We've already spent billions on homelessness and got not now where and we've spent several billion on asylum seekers/refugee's over the years and again very little has changed or improved,
We do need active radar installations around the country , better naval assets,and an actual airforce with better and more helicopters , Surveillance capabilities.
The British government recently ensured that the murderers within the British armed forces would get away with killing innocent Irish people. The British armed forces waged a 30 year reign of murder and torture in Ireland up to the very recent past. These are facts and it's without looking at Britain's roll in Ireland pre 1969.
They are our biggest threat. Full stop. The last time it was left to ordinary Irish people to defend themselves against attack. Like the brave Ukrainians, not only did they protect their communities from ethnic cleansing, they went on the attack and sent many of the enemy home in body bags. This is our history, we've consistently stood up to invasion and attack and have fought back.
We don't need NATO to defend us.
An additional 3 billion a year is well over a thousand euros per household
I would much prefer to spend that money ending homelessness or supporting refugees than building SAM missiles that would be destroyed in the first wave of any serious attack leaving us just as vulnerable as if we never had any in the first place
This is absolute nonsense.
Attacking Ireland would be as easy as attacking Vatican City, but bombing the pope would not be consequence free
Yep exactly right. Well said. It's a pointless debate really.
You'd have the invading forces building up in a relatively unpopulated land, wide open to being taken out by UK forces if they decided to or were asked to by Ireland, and doing nothing useful other than getting ready to do another invasion into Wales but giving the UK plenty of time to rearrange defences in Wales at the same time as preparing another front to come in from NI. Can't see why the UK would hesitate to take out invading forces into Ireland seeing as the only reason for someone to invade Ireland would be to then invade the UK, even if it is a stupid way to invade the UK. No reason why Ireland wouldn't ask the UK to do so either and welcome the UK doing so.
No reason to invade Ireland at all. Even if the aim was to take out some technology centres, you'd just do that remotely or with some local sabatours.
I still haven’t heard a decent explanation how spending the extra money would be useful, other than the crazy idea that Russia would bypass the whole of Europe and invade us for some unclear reason.
The health budget is over 22bn. Did Ireland get seven National Childrens Hospitals last year? Or are budgets more complicated than that?
Those are some comparisons that the Irish Government decided to use as counterparts in the recent defence paper. Are there no childrens' hospitals in Denmark?
Yes, the idea of joining NATO because Russia is at war with Ukraine is laughable & makes zero sense. Why not join it after the Chechen war, Georgia war, Dagestan, North Caucasus insurgency war, Russia intervention in Syria & Iraq, or intervention in the CAR civil war? Russia, like the major NATO countries, has pretty much been involved in military conflicts since the end of the Cold War. What makes this different, are the people of Ukraine worthy of support but not Chechenya or the Central African Republic? The US is still carrying out airstrikes in Iraq, why not join NATO because of the US airstrikes in Syria & Iraq. Or the massacres carried out in Gaza by Israel, a number of times there was calls to expel the Israeli ambassador over war crimes against the people of Gaza.
Putin is a despicable gangster, but he is clearly no threat to Ireland.
If Ukraine was in the European Union now, wouldn't Nato have gone in and hit russia? like you're saying, they protect all EU states, but what happens when Ukraine is part of the EU? hopefully soon.. will Nato have to step up and go in? I don't wish war on anyone, not innocent people, but that murderer cannot be left get away with what he has done to these people and their country. This is as bad or worse than what hitler did. What's the point in having protection, if your neighbors can come in and destroy your country and your people. I can't turn on the news since yesterday, I'd be too upset. Nearly everyone we spoke to on YouTube that had live cams in and around kiev are gone, who knows what happened them, nobody knows yet.
Appologies none of my info was related to Ireland, I'm more concerned about Ukraine people.
And yes we can well afford to spend up to 3bn on our defense capabilities, even after several childrens hospitals,
You don't actually have any valid argument really ,
Yes, that's the point I was making 🙄
How many childrens hospitals would you like to build
Explain please?
3bn a year is more than a National Childrens Hospital PER YEAR
Even when our own government say it?
Your hilarious I'll give you that
How will CT be coming to an end?
People have been saying that for the last 20 years and it still hasn’t happened.
3bn is an outrageous sum for defence. We already piss away billions and our corp tax bonanza will be coming to an end.
There is no strategic reason to invade Ireland whatsoever. If you wanted to attack the UK, you would not give the game away by invading Ireland first. The RAF and Royal Navy would be over quick enough to de-risk.
The only strategic objective may be to knock out the data centres.
We are an irrelevance.
No we don't spend anywhere near that our current spend is about 0.3 %
Do we not already spend well over that already? I thought I read we spend approx 2.7%?
Wouldn't need to spend more than 3 Billion ,the defense forces are not looking for hundreds of billions or tens of billions , they are seeking 2-3 at most
But you will claim otherwise as seen elsewhere.
But remember it's only a guide line we currently spend less than some carribian islands
We currently spend about 0.3 of GDP on defense it's embarrassing
And for those advocating spending without joining NATO....we're a small country. You could spend as much money as you'd like, the reality is our army is a few thousand people with 0 combat experience. A large country like Russia, UK, whoever would swat us away like flies.
No argument that money needs to be spent.
Russia invading Ireland? You're having a laugh.
They didn't invade Ukraine for the craic, they invaded Ukraine because they believe it's part of Russia.
