A stray piece of munitions could conceivably have spelled utter disaster in that attack.
Ukraine is still living with the after effects of Chernobyl and I'll have a degree of forgiveness for a country that is already lumbered with the world's worst nuclear disaster.
The shoulder shrugging about an outrageously dangerous assault on a sensitive piece of nuclear infrastructure is hard to credit.
We could have been looking at an entirely set of headlines from that attack, and people are getting excercised about the Ukrainian government calling out the appalling risks the Russian invading forces were taking?
I don't know man, I think you need to have a rethink here.
Eh, they're crippling Russia already. The man himself thinks they're a declaration of war.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-invasion-kremlin-says-west-behaving-like-bandits-and-russia-too-big-to-be-isolated-12558006
Would imagine that’s fairly standard security practice at any nuclear facility. I doubt the Ukrainians were thinking to set one up especially for this.
Of course, there is no surveillance whatsoever of a Nuclear Plant 🙄, ever. Who would ever want to harm a nuclear plant? That would be plain silly
Yeah, it's no coincidence that there just happened to be a live webcam at a nuclear power plant in Ukraine.
Watching a blurry CCTV night cam of parked cars doesnt count as witnessing the shelling of a nuclear plant.
I am sure that the average Russian is delighted with their tanking economy, inability to travel and the loss of many major Western brands in Russia! All for a piece of land and delusional pursuit of former “ideals”
Ideals mean nothing when you cannot feed the kids
Yep. We have no choice. We will have to find places - halls (they’re in every parish, often quite decent buildings), old convents, church property, the Curragh, under used hotels, GAA facilities, college halls, places like that. The average Irish person is very wealthy compared to many of these people that have had to flee with nothing. To say the least of the psychological damage and trauma. I know the Irish people won’t be found wanting.
100% if your are not one of the big boys in NATO you be left on your own guaranteed.
You are watching grainy night-time footage and you are being told what the footage shows. Have you made any subsequent attempt to verify what you think you have seen?
If that was the case Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine ,we watch it live as it happened here on boards,but because the reactor wasn't damage and radiation wasn't released it didn't happen ,
There is never going to be 110% satellite every time...
Talking about trying to set an extremely high bar for anything
From the BBC website:
11:54
No-fly zone might hinder Ukraine, not help, says UK defence secretary
Jonathan Beale
BBC defence correspondent
The UK defence secretary says a no-fly zone over Ukraine would not just increase the danger to Nato allies - who might come into direct confrontation with Russian planes - but could also hamper Ukraine's ability to defend itself.
On a visit to Estonia and Denmark this week, Ben Wallace told the BBC that Russia had so far not been successful in destroying Ukraine's air defences and air force.
He said Ukrainian aircraft and drones were "one of the few tools" the Ukrainians had to hit Russian forces from distance - and Wallace said: "If you have a no-fly zone, it works for both sides."
He said it could "possibly hand an advantage to the Russians", who could still target cities with their long-range artillery and missiles from land.
"I think people should ask themselves the question before they suggest these things, what would it mean on the ground and what does it mean for Nato, when there are other ways to help Ukrainians defend themselves from the air," he says.
Western nations have been supplying Ukraine with hundreds of "Stinger" anti-aircraft missiles in recent weeks.
Ukraine's President Zelensky has publicly called for a no-fly zone. But Wallace said he'd been in daily contact with Ukraine's defence minister who, he said, had not asked for one.
President Zelenskyy, and those around him are not clueless idiots, I expect they understand all this. I don't think President Zelenskyy is wrong to make impassioned pleas to the UN, the EU, NATO or anyone else who'll listen, but I do worry that his focus on a no-fly zone is ultimately harmful to the morale of his troops and his people.
But Putin's plan was for a very speedy war. Apparently, he thought the whole thing would be done and dusted in 14 days max (according to various intelligence reports).
To be fair the Ukranians were always going to play up the nuclear power plant situation.
I understand why but some of the stuff they were coming out with was pretty ludicrous and I thought undermined them a bit. The foreign minister was making statements about 'explosions' and a disaster 10 times worse than Chernobyl at the time.
It's actually the first time on social media I seen some pushback.
Reducing themselves to Russian levels of misinformation won't do any favours.
They don't need to do that.
mAInStrEAm mEDiA
Edgy war apologists are the new anti-vaxxers.
I could set up a YouTube channel tommorow parroting TASS press- releases and have a six figure income off the back of it.
These people are rubes.
Actually Brand(who I can't abide) makes some very good, if obvious points. Bugger all practical solutions though. The opposite number of those flailing around looking for NATO/the US to directly intervene.
The alternative of saying 'no' to refugees in the middle of a war nearby would be much, more worse. It wouldn't be the case either that tens of thousands of refugees would arrive on the same day, it would be gradually phased over weeks or months.
What are you on about? Have you seen all Ukraines main cities at the moment. They are all shelled and levelled like Grozny was and Syria. There is only going to be one winner here and it isn't Ukraine. Putin took a gamble and it will pay off for him. He will be a hero in Russia then.
Given what an amazing effort they're already putting together in places like Poland and Romania, i'm sure the entirety of western Europe can think of ways to get these people the accommodation they need at this moment in time.
If I could give you two thanks, I would. The gummy bear factory is a great line!
There are lots of buildings around the country that could be converted to emergency refugee centres at relatively short notice. I imagine that is what Poland, the Czech Rep, Romania etc are doing as we speak. As you say, it just needs some creative thinking.
It must be really hard being that desperate to be perceived as clever and just not making the cut… The Adrian Moles of this world.
Sorry, I digress…
It wouldn't be it was the same as any conflict since the 90's ,the rest of the eu know it too, we don't have the ability to 50,000 + refugees ,we can't even make a dent in the social housing list , never mind doubling it over night.
There is a Huge housing shortage here,and if the government starts buying or building for 50,000+ they will face a massive backlash for a conflict were not involved in ,this is exactly what will happen
People like that are common and most people are smart enough to see right through it but there are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to fall for it.
I love to actually test that Theory especially if Putin threatened nuclear strikes. Nato will sit on their hands and say its not worth the risk.
I see you're getting your talking points from him, anyway. The first thing he gets into is what you're saying about Rice. It'll be good fodder for that thread I hear you're going to start on western hypocrisy.
They are everywhere!
We can expect all of the above, and are already seeing it - its horrid - its pure disinformation, and false equivalency - Its Wrong. This is a black and white conflict. Russia under Putin is an aggressive dictatorship
I used to work with a guy like him. He fancied himself as an intellectual. He used to use all these big words to impress. The thing that riled me up was how bloody deliberate it all was and how he used those words incorrectly. Truth was, he wanted to be super-smart, but he dressed up his average intelligence with some archaic words he pawned from a thesaurus earlier in the day
I wish they'd at least blur the face of the prisoner, while I'm not unhappy that his plane was shot down, this is the kind of propaganda that's hard to watch. Also gives the other side free material to use against Ukraine (just replace the audio with something else).
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