There is a valid concern now that other rogue states will see that there is precedent for using threats of a Nuclear Winter to achieve their malevolent aims.
Hmmm, still with the huge table, but this time he's sitting beside them. Maybe he only keeps his distance from men. Though the fact it's a bunch of trainee air hostesses is ironic, given the Russian airline fleet is a matter of months from being grounded and as it is today can't land anywhere in Europe or the US. Kinda the worst time to be Russian cabin crew.
Is Russel Brand some kind of expert or what?
Or is this more a case of you looking for someone authoritative who shares your views and this was the best you could come up with?
Open all the holiday caravan parks, pay a minimal rent to the owners, get them open and supplied we can take thousands of familys if we think outside the box.
I don’t disagree but what can we do? My opinion is this all goes back over 20 years ago- we took our eyes off the ball when it came to Russia and developing a proper democracy. There was a void the rotten oligarchs and their man were all too happy to fill.
You're here talking about disinformation, yet your opening salvo is that the Russian army didn't attack a nuclear power plant.
What was it they attacked then? A gummy bears factory?
Catch yourself on will you and stop insulting everyone's intelligence. You're blatantly another one with a hijacked mind.
Sanctions won't cripple Russia like what the West are trying to protray. Don't be fooled by that. I fear after Ukraine that poor Moldova is next.
I wish they'd at least blur the face of the prisoner, while I'm not unhappy that his plane was shot down, this is the kind of propaganda that's hard to watch. Also gives the other side free material to use against Ukraine (just replace the audio with something else).
I used to work with a guy like him. He fancied himself as an intellectual. He used to use all these big words to impress. The thing that riled me up was how bloody deliberate it all was and how he used those words incorrectly. Truth was, he wanted to be super-smart, but he dressed up his average intelligence with some archaic words he pawned from a thesaurus earlier in the day
We can expect all of the above, and are already seeing it - its horrid - its pure disinformation, and false equivalency - Its Wrong. This is a black and white conflict. Russia under Putin is an aggressive dictatorship
They are everywhere!
I see you're getting your talking points from him, anyway. The first thing he gets into is what you're saying about Rice. It'll be good fodder for that thread I hear you're going to start on western hypocrisy.
I love to actually test that Theory especially if Putin threatened nuclear strikes. Nato will sit on their hands and say its not worth the risk.
People like that are common and most people are smart enough to see right through it but there are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to fall for it.
It wouldn't be it was the same as any conflict since the 90's ,the rest of the eu know it too, we don't have the ability to 50,000 + refugees ,we can't even make a dent in the social housing list , never mind doubling it over night.
There is a Huge housing shortage here,and if the government starts buying or building for 50,000+ they will face a massive backlash for a conflict were not involved in ,this is exactly what will happen
It must be really hard being that desperate to be perceived as clever and just not making the cut… The Adrian Moles of this world.
Sorry, I digress…
There are lots of buildings around the country that could be converted to emergency refugee centres at relatively short notice. I imagine that is what Poland, the Czech Rep, Romania etc are doing as we speak. As you say, it just needs some creative thinking.
If I could give you two thanks, I would. The gummy bear factory is a great line!
Given what an amazing effort they're already putting together in places like Poland and Romania, i'm sure the entirety of western Europe can think of ways to get these people the accommodation they need at this moment in time.
What are you on about? Have you seen all Ukraines main cities at the moment. They are all shelled and levelled like Grozny was and Syria. There is only going to be one winner here and it isn't Ukraine. Putin took a gamble and it will pay off for him. He will be a hero in Russia then.
The alternative of saying 'no' to refugees in the middle of a war nearby would be much, more worse. It wouldn't be the case either that tens of thousands of refugees would arrive on the same day, it would be gradually phased over weeks or months.
Actually Brand(who I can't abide) makes some very good, if obvious points. Bugger all practical solutions though. The opposite number of those flailing around looking for NATO/the US to directly intervene.
mAInStrEAm mEDiA
Edgy war apologists are the new anti-vaxxers.
I could set up a YouTube channel tommorow parroting TASS press- releases and have a six figure income off the back of it.
These people are rubes.
To be fair the Ukranians were always going to play up the nuclear power plant situation.
I understand why but some of the stuff they were coming out with was pretty ludicrous and I thought undermined them a bit. The foreign minister was making statements about 'explosions' and a disaster 10 times worse than Chernobyl at the time.
It's actually the first time on social media I seen some pushback.
Reducing themselves to Russian levels of misinformation won't do any favours.
They don't need to do that.
But Putin's plan was for a very speedy war. Apparently, he thought the whole thing would be done and dusted in 14 days max (according to various intelligence reports).
From the BBC website:
11:54
No-fly zone might hinder Ukraine, not help, says UK defence secretary
Jonathan Beale
BBC defence correspondent
The UK defence secretary says a no-fly zone over Ukraine would not just increase the danger to Nato allies - who might come into direct confrontation with Russian planes - but could also hamper Ukraine's ability to defend itself.
On a visit to Estonia and Denmark this week, Ben Wallace told the BBC that Russia had so far not been successful in destroying Ukraine's air defences and air force.
He said Ukrainian aircraft and drones were "one of the few tools" the Ukrainians had to hit Russian forces from distance - and Wallace said: "If you have a no-fly zone, it works for both sides."
He said it could "possibly hand an advantage to the Russians", who could still target cities with their long-range artillery and missiles from land.
"I think people should ask themselves the question before they suggest these things, what would it mean on the ground and what does it mean for Nato, when there are other ways to help Ukrainians defend themselves from the air," he says.
Western nations have been supplying Ukraine with hundreds of "Stinger" anti-aircraft missiles in recent weeks.
Ukraine's President Zelensky has publicly called for a no-fly zone. But Wallace said he'd been in daily contact with Ukraine's defence minister who, he said, had not asked for one.
President Zelenskyy, and those around him are not clueless idiots, I expect they understand all this. I don't think President Zelenskyy is wrong to make impassioned pleas to the UN, the EU, NATO or anyone else who'll listen, but I do worry that his focus on a no-fly zone is ultimately harmful to the morale of his troops and his people.
If that was the case Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine ,we watch it live as it happened here on boards,but because the reactor wasn't damage and radiation wasn't released it didn't happen ,
There is never going to be 110% satellite every time...
Talking about trying to set an extremely high bar for anything
You are watching grainy night-time footage and you are being told what the footage shows. Have you made any subsequent attempt to verify what you think you have seen?
100% if your are not one of the big boys in NATO you be left on your own guaranteed.
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