They're not 'active participants'. Countries supply each other with weapons all the time (usually by means of arms sales, but there's nothing to say it can't be free).
In the short term. Long term it will just lead to another dictator who gradually becomes drunk on power and ends up where Putin in now. There's zero point in trying to work with Russia. Just make sure they don't have the economic clout to do this again.
Did we ever figure out why those Russian submarines were snooping around Ireland? We’re not NATO
For the numteenth time nato cannot go in ,they are providing logistics , real time intelligence from the air and satellite surveillance ,they are sending in thousands of tons of supplies
Source please?
That video is eye opening. Many people scared sh*tless of the truth and it's implications for their country. Some literally running away.
Perhaps people underestimate this, but Russia's demographics make it a particularly 'old' country. And a significant amount of old people in Russia are Homo Sovieticus, people that were raised to be USSR normies that are deeply conditioned to be dolice and pliant to the government. This phenomenon should not be underestimated.
Those under 50 will be different and potentially will be the swathe of society to bring Putin down.
Interesting that the old Jewish lady in the end knew exactly what the score is and unafraid to say it. Jews in that part of the world are tough as teak, and suffered disproportionately over the last two centuries. When sh*t goes South in that part of the world, the Jewish community is the first to suffer.
What's the difference between supplying Ukraine with weapons and not troops?
Just delaying the inevitable except you have one less country on your side when Ukraine falls. I'm sure Poland and the baltics will be delighted to take a shelling for a few days whilst Nato decide at what stage they think it's worth the risk to support them either.
Yes, a NATO vs Russia conflict would suit the liars of the Russian media. A Russia attacks Ukraine situation is much harder for them to spin (hence these propagandists being driven to try and pretend to their readers and viewers that the war in Ukraine isn't even happening, despite overwhelming evidence from multiple sources that it is).
Why were the Russians willing to fire shells at a nuclear power station? Surely, they must know that another Chernobyl-type disaster would be as bad for them as it would be for the Ukrainians, i.e. the radioactive contamination of wheat fields. They don't expect their 'Ukrainian saboteurs' cover-story about the power station attack to be believed by the rest of the world, do they?!
Did I see reported yesterday the french were moving the DeGual aircraft carrier to the black sea off Moldova to assist in aerial surveillance
Must have been a tight squeeze to get him into the plane.
Wrong. To be clear a no fly zone strengthens Putin’s position and diminishes the impact of sanctions which are starting to bite.
The pr war needs to zero in on the fact this is a solo run from a mad midget. A lot of people on boards like this demanding NATO do this or that are not connecting the dots. Big companies are starting to terminate employee contracts for Russian and Belarusian employee’s and the impact of people in Russia to pay their bills will cut through the propaganda nonsense they have there.
Have you honestly been sitting there this last week, not comprehending that sanctions are designed to cripple the whole country and make it dysfunctional and that the worst affected would be the Russian people?
In Mariupol, they are running out of food, have no heating and are freezing, they have no electricity and families are being wiped out. The supposed ceasfire to allow a humanitarian corridor so civillians could evacuate didn't happen. Big surprise.
On the other side you have well off Russian tourists who have stuck their cards in an ATM and had it spat back out of them.
So yes, screw the ordinary Russians having difficulties at an ATM or hotel desk or in a restaurant. I'm pretty sure tens of thousand hungry and freezing in Mariupol and Kharkiv would happily trade places.
If you have some fluffy headed notion that your ordinary Russians are appalled at what's happening, think again. Some are, but not nearly enough by a wide margin. Did you not read Wibbs account?
...or Weightwatchers.
I have yet to see a post here universally condemn or wish harm on ordinary Russian people.
You're doing that whataboutery thing wrong btw.
I sincerely hope that you are right, @Wibbs and that I am wrong.
But this man lacks care for the consequences of his risky behaviour. He also has spent years cultivating his inner circle. They are likely brain washed.
He can justify that the West are already starting the war with their sanctions. Reestablish the Soviet Union is the end-goal. Better we all die than he fail….
Our biggest hope and best option is that the ordinary Russians and Oligarchs see the absolute folly of Putin and oust him.
Hopefully, with a new regime that respects sovereignty of nations, we can work with the ordinary Russians so that we can all benefit from collaboration.
Putin is using his own people like shields, hiding behind them.
Zelenskeyy repeatedly asking for a no-fly zone is quite clever. He knows he'll never get it, but it pushes nations to do everything up to the point of that kind of intervention. He's pushing for lots of 2nd best options. Lethal weapons that can destroy the best Russia has to offer, EU admission, financial aid. It's a good tactic.
It's terrible but beyond sending weapons and hunanitarian assistance there is nothing else that can be done.
The statements coming from the Ukrainian govt are constantly goading NATO to get involved.
That would be incredibly dangerous for us all.
I understand why they want it but I don't believe for one second western societies are willing to risk a major war with Russia over Ukraine.
All we can do is provide assistance that does not have us in direct confrontation with the Russian military.
So screw the ordinary Russians who have had no part to play in this whatsoever? Is that it?
This is Putins war.
Something like an F-35? 141 days if you have combat flight experience.
That pilot is not so brave when fighting an actual capable army and not raining hell on civilian centres.
For the numteenth time nato cannot go in ,they are providing logistics , real time intelligence from the air and satellite surveillance ,they are sending in thousands of tons of supplies and medical equipment and fuel ,
They are doing a great job in actually helping the Ukrainians defend themselves without having.to commit boots on the ground.
I've been calling for Nato to assist them on here for best part of 9 years , but it'd not going to happen ,
No, they're not hot headed fools eager for escalation of something they have bugger all clue about.
A no fly zone means nato shooting down Russian jets which start WW3 whereas it wouldn’t have started WW3 in former Yugoslavia.
There would be a good case to get him into the Hague
......or hand him over to ISIS
So the bully Putin wins so by threatening the west with Nuclear weapons if they intervene? Nato showing themselves up to how weak they actually are. Mind games.
Any time I read posts like that worrying about appeasing Putin and avoiding escalation I think of this guy
No. Why would it? It's hardly "superior" to be able to read and write now is it? It is just an attempt to help educate the person. It probably won't work but at least I tried. How about yourself, given that you have been thanking that particular illiterate's postings?
This was the post he appeared to have difficulty reading https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736067/#Comment_118736067
Quoted fully below:
Gives the Russians a nice bit of propaganda that they don't have to completely make up the next time - "Russian embassy in Dublin attacked"
The lad somehow understands that to be saying that "Ukrainen hospitals and orphanages bombed by Russia = good" (I quoted that directly in case you are wondering about the illiterate spelling).
He has neither the capability nor the intention to invade the EU/NATO. A poor nation with internal issues, corruption, obsolete arms and far fewer men and materiel has ground his Soviet army and airforce to slow crawl and a halt in many places. The only way he could invade the EU/NATO is with nuclear weapons and even he and certainly his underlings and those all the way down the chain to the buttons are unlikely to be that insane. In a conventional ground/air war EU/NATO forces would utterly flatten his forces.
They don't even have air superiority yet. Something that was certainly expected pretty quickly. Establishing air superiority has been a basic fundamental since Hitler went on his European tour in 1939. It was such a given for him he even thought his airforce alone would be enough to bring the British to heel and the negotiation table and when he lost it, the clock was fast ticking down for his regime. If it were the US prosecuting this invasion at this stage anything larger than a housefly would be at serious risk of being spotted and taken down.
What this caper of Putins has shown to the world is that his military forces are a shabbily organised bunch of conscripts with apparently varying degrees of support for the war mostly using equipment that had a sell by date a couple of decades ago.
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