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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    I was thinking to myself there should be a "B" division of wannabe member states who maybe get 20% level of investment with clear conditions on what needs to be fixed before becoming full members and all the good stuff that brings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Judging from what people on ground are saying in Eastern Ukraine, they're fighting like the blazes and screaming for air support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    How much of that money actually makes it to purchasing equipment or how many of the supplies purchased stay in the quartermasters buildings. Not a lot judging by the state of the frontline troops in the Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Every post you drop that has a weasel criticism of Putin is only a prelude to BUT AMERICA, which is what you really want to drone on about. Your agenda isn't even artfully disguised.

    I have a few thousand posts on this forum, but I've always been consistent, the Iraq war was wrong, and the Afghanistan intervention was 100 percent the correct call for America to make and they should have stayed the course with air cover and limited boots on the ground. So you can stick that one where the sun doesn't shine.

    I've had interactions with US troops before, I'm not high fiving them, but Iisten to their stories, and I don't apologize to some internet goon whose real agenda is to prattle 'yeah but' when a crystal clear destructive war is underway - and you can't bring yourself to concentrate on what the real problem is in this war.

    I don't equivocate. And in case you're lost and not clear as to what I posted earlier, people advocating for the US to withdraw from Europe are asking for the EU and the continent generally to chop off its own b*llocks and hand it to Putin for him to put in a jar.

    Hand wringers and snaking regarders like you don't want to admit it, but you live in a Europe that has had a security umbrella provided by the US since the end of WW2, allowing people to thrive, or in your case, sit in your jocks posting utter sh*te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    вы говорите нам, что вы думаете

    😉

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, it is starting to look like cronyism and corruption badly damaged them. Not badly enough to save poor Ukraine though. Their artillery still seems to work sadly and eventually they'll bring in the bombers too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    What I'm saying is that there is a far greater possibility of militant groups who don't subscribe to any rules of law, using civilians as human shields. I don't see an organised state army that subscribes to international law, deliberately using human shields or deliberately firing from apartment blocks to illicit return fire for propaganda. Certainly not in an organised or widespread manner.

    You were equating our war mistakes with what appears to be deliberate acts by Russia. We also know from history that this is the doctrine of Russian warfare, to level everything whether civilians are there or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,120 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I didn't suggest they'd use civillian buildings to deliberately attract Russian fire on the civilians within the building (that's what Russian media is saying BTW). I'm saying the Ukranian forces probably don't have the luxury of picking and choosing the buildings they use. If they could totally avoid using civillian buildings, maybe they would. So if our media says the Russians fired on a civillian building, and their media says they fired on ukranian forces within the building, how do we tell the difference?



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    And so the Russians I'm sure said they never invade Ukraine when they promised in an agreement to give up their Nucleur Weapons in 1994 and what happens in 2022? Yes Russia Invade a Sovereign country so they broke their promises. A defensive pact like Nato is still relevant when there is a humanitarian crisis just like all the people slaughtered in Srebrenica in 1995. Nato had to get involved after that in that war to stop a monster. What is the difference here with Putin and what he's doing? He's murdering innocent civilians. Enough is enough and that doesn't excuse the fact for Nato for them not to get involved because Ukraine are not a nato pact country. They way they are going I wouldn't trust them to even defend a small Nato aligned country either. They might deem it not important enough when the threat or nuclear weapons is waved about by Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    The benefit of having nuclear weapons is in not having to use them. Only a siege of Moscow would trigger an all-out strike

    Well that's the theory anyway, theories aren't always correct.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Camille Delightful Plumber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭storker


    From the same people who brought you Ted Hastings interrogating Cressida Dick outside Scotland Yard, an examination of the Londongrad Laundromat:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Talisman


    In 1999, NATO intervened in Yugoslavia when the Serbs engaged in a bit of ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Well there would be the pro immigration ones wanting to save the Russian refugees and the refugees from Belarus because they were more exotic than the Ukrainians and of course they would pay all our future pensions.

    There would be environmentalists demanding electric tanks, refusing to shoot because it would be polluting and blaming the whole thing on the farmers.

    There would be the Walter Mitty military types claiming we would beat the Russians ourselves if only we got the two front line fighter squadrons to go with the two aircraft carriers.

    There would be the cute hoor political types who would be trying to see if they could wrangle some extra contracts from either side.

    And there would be the GAA types painting MAYO 4 SAM on the tanks.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,322 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I'm counting down the sleeps until putin is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭cjyid


    Wonder what they're watching, odesa maybe?

    Those things are terrifying.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Camille Delightful Plumber


    I’m very pessimistic about the War, I can see only two outcomes.

    1. Putin dies of a “heart attack” & somebody a bit more Gorbachev-like steps in & mumbled something about the former dictator not having not been a well man and that whilst his aspirations might have been legitimate, he took action he would not have done in the full of his health. “Now we must rebuild Russia and rebuild relations”.
    2. It goes Nuclear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Despite early morale/logistics issues it's important to note that the Russian military aren't stupid, they will reassess and readjust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Dude is a neocon with a guilt complex about Iraq. I’d say don’t even bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You said the Americans stories were interesting.

    Would you be as willing to speak with Russian solders who also illegally invaded another country? I don't think you would somehow! And if you did, I don't think you'd speak so highly of them as you did the American servicemen who were decent according to you.

    You don't think caring about other wars matters? Wait, stupid question, of course you don't. You only care when it's the other guys we don't like who do the bad thing.

    Oh, by the way, where are your posts on the Ukraine invasion for the past 8 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    NATO is not defense only, it can be offensive or defensive under their crisis management mandates, they can go on the offensive in support of a UN mandate for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,961 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    My error. For some reason I thought Ireland spent just under 1% of GDP on defense. It's actually 0.3%, or about 1% of the government budget.

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    From the recent Defense Forces Commission report. It states that the current level of funding is unacceptable for Irish requirements, it should be at least doubled and preferably tripled. That would still make it one of the lowest countries in Europe, as thrice nothing is still nothing. What is special about the Irish situation on healthcare/education/etc which makes it so different to Belgium, Denmark or Netherlands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not nostalgic for Milosevic and his gang of war criminals. And the Balkans is a nice spot these days.

    Nato won't be winning any Nobel Peace Prizes in the near future, but it's purpose isn't to please contrarians who would let Europe be overrun by fascists at the drop of a hat, it's to secure Europe for the future. 99 percent of the time that future is secured by democratic institutions like the EU and multilateralism, but sometimes you need to show fascists and war criminals the stick. That's the real world people, and that's the neighborhood we live in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    They are indiscriminately firing cluster bombs into urban areas, so we're a bit past the 'jeez, independent world media or state controlled Russian media, who'dya trust. Just so hard to differentiate'. Your point is not valid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think the problem for Russia is that, given its current alliances with countries like Iran, it would be the natural tendency of the country to slip into an anti-Western mode. You may get a reconciliatory figure like Gorbachev for a while, but that lapses and just gives way to another Putin who rises to the top on a wave of anti-Western, make-Russia-great-again spiel.



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