Well it won't be the longest any more if there's a massive crater in the middle of it
With the accuracy of Russian missiles on display in Ukraine, you’d probably be better standing in Westport town centre if you want to be directly hit.
Yes I watch the news and know whats happening in Ukraine right now.
My post was theorising what happens if things escalate and the west get more involved.
I would suggest we should call Putins bluff.
First signs of corporate russia starting to wake up and speak out... they must know that the writing is on the wall for their balance sheet if west decides to go down the stop buying ALL russian oil route...
It's never just one man's finger on the button and there are a large number of corridors to navigate before even a decision is reached regarding the use of a nuclear option. So all the talk of nukes is just hot air.
The Russians know that there are several countries with nuclear options and they are all ranged at cities and other targets in Russia. If the Russian brass opt for a strike, they understand completely that that would, literally, mean the end of their own nation because it would be completely obliterated.
They're not going to do that over some mickey mouse conflict in the Ukraine.
No, you'll have two very long ones 😛
No. I also dont think we would be a target.
Others who read the thread and such posts may be of a more nervous nature though.
Lot of Ukrainians are dying in this Micky mouse conflict you speak of
(If that is so) no can't really agree with you. I'm no expert so possibly am straying outside the lines commenting on this aspect, but that kind of action IMO is going over some boundaries I mentioned in another post, the West directly attacking or threatening to attack Russia/its forces etc. militarily to protect Ukraine should not happen here.
I disagreed with tomalak, but think he's right about that and I'm sure there is some "threshold" there with Russia where they may start to perceive that outside military assistance given to Ukraine is of such an extent/size that West is almost treating them as a defacto NATO member. The current assistance given of (I think - again no military expert) mostly lighter weapons that will help them defend themselves from the Russian invaders if they wish to do that, is I think very much the typical kind of thing that one side or another did in the Cold war with allies or proxies (e.g. assistance Russia or China I think gave to likes of North Vietnamese or Cubans etc.).
The economic/social/political cut off of Russia that is now escalating is also very typical of what little I know of relations of that period, although its obviously very sudden and will thus create a shock and severely damage Russia, and to a lesser extent the West because of connections & dependencies that have built up during peace/post collapse of Soviet Union. Russia/Putin has basically begun a new Cold War with the West by launching this invasion.
I have to agree ,
No it wouldn't - there dont have as many active weapons as you may think, nor do the americans for that matter
Exactly!
While nuclear strikes on the west would also be devastating, in places that are targeted, Russia will come off much much worse and get totally wiped out.
Don’t Suppose you have any links to the chain of command on that, be very interesting to know how an order like that is processed. Wasn’t there nearly an accidental nuclear war in the 80s cause one Russian system incorrectly said that warheads had been sent towards Russia?
I also thought there was a chain of command with the US president , anybody know the crack with the “nuclear football” that goes around with the president. So a president gives the order , do they just launch or is there some sort of system that filters it?
It will be nationalised tomorrow and the CEO's and board will be in a Gulag next week.
Wishful thinking. Do you think the men who man the nuclear silos are chosen for their ability to disobey orders?
I dont think nuking Shannon is gonna achieve that goal
At the moment there is only 1 country waging war, a truly barbaric one at that.
How many more innocent Ukrainians have to die before the west intervenes..
The west has intervened, sanctions which are about to collapse the banks and economy of Russia. Arms. Money.
How many innocent people die in a nuclear war? for Ukraine?
Do you not follow the news??
They are already disobeying orders on the front line by surrendering and going home.
He's absolutely right,
unfortunately long term strategical thinking is almost absent from most western democracies, all that western leaders care about is getting re-elected and let their successors do the clean up.
strategy if played correctly would've avoided us this crisis altogether from the very start, i fail to understand how the f*ck not one world leader managed to read the maniac Putin back when he was still weak, how the hell did he manage to play them all and get us to this situation that he's having the whole world at gun (nuclear) point.
I asked that very question a couple of posts back , how bad will it be allowed to get in Ukraine before the allies do more or change their tactics?
I suppose the counter to this is whether or not there could be a tipping point in Russia.
You seriously think China would abide by such a pact? That's as credible as Russia's guarantee on Ukraine’s sovereignty and security if they hand over their nuclear weapons.
China and Putin have one thing in common, they are serial liars and dishonest as the day is long and nothing they say, do or sign should ever be trusted.
Russia uses Shannon too ,I would believe that it would be anilated to deny America or Nato having access to it
The sanctions are a long game, the Russian offensive could go on for months with horrific consequences.
Again how do you know there would be a nuclear war if the west got more involved?
We already are involved anyea by supplying military hardware to Ukraine.
China might (unlikely I'd say) use the opportunity to invade Russia and take Sino ethnicity regions. But, I agree with you I don't think they'd attack Russia for Ukraine.
Denial of ground ,it would a legimate strategic move to completely anilate any airport or port to deny your enemy access to it ,they will also want to prevent humanitarian aid coming in ,all of our airports and ports would be hit in any attack ,
Disturbing rhetoric from Putin today. No backing down whatsoever. And no room for compromise.
At a certain point it's time for difficult conversations. Does the Western world allow an unhinged madman to reduce an entire country to rubble in the process of taking them over? Does having nukes mean you can do whatever you want now?
At all levels of military decisions there has to be a chain of command and with something that's an end game like nuclear strikes I would say that that chain of command is quite robust. The reason being that if it was down to just one guy the danger of some loony hitting the button becomes all too real. It would be a matter of sheer self preservation to institute checks and balances to make sure that that situation wouldn't occur.
Any country using a nuclear strike is the last resort, as it would likely mean their own destruction, and as Jim Mattis said recently there are no such things as a "tactical nuke". It's such an appalling route to go down that countries have to make sure that it isn't just within the gift of a single person.
I don't know what the protocols are for Russia, but in the US there are provisions in place where, although the President (and even vice President should the President be incapacitated in some way) can make the order for the use of nuclear weapons, it has to find agreement with Secretary of Defence and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then even further on down the line after that.
I would imagine that a similar situation exist within Russian circles too.
Even during the Second World War there was a long and convoluted journey before the use of atomic weaponry was agreed and that was with the luxury of a war that was already won to all intents and purposes.
If you want to know more look up about the Gold Codes.
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