I have been posting on boards for a long time bubbly pop as well you know it.
You also know by my posts that I have no difficulty with the English language nor the Irish language for that matter.
Your post was taken by me to be condescending and confrontational but perhaps that is just a misconception on my behalf but I like you will stand by my interpretation.
No one has a lower standard for anyone😂
My ex wasn't a native speaker either and he sometimes got words wrong, nothing wrong with that. I got a lot wrong in his language too. There is nothing wrong with giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Or maybe I should have just made **** of a poster?
Havin a lower standard for us, even if driven by good intentions, is not nice, it's patronizing.
Not assuming anybody has problems with English. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt because they don't seem to understand what a word means, is just being nice. I try to be nice to everybody.
>>Excuse me for trying to be nice.
Assuming we have difficulties with proper English is anything but nice.
What do you mean? You called yourself a migrant, so I didn't want to assume English was your first language. Excuse me for trying to be nice.
So seeing as you didn't bother explaining. A migrant is just a person who goes to live in a different place for work or a better life etc.
So what do you mean by genuine migrant?
And how can there be migrants that are not genuine?
Probably would of done. And also believe you know the difference.
But your Last sentence tells me everything about you and my translation would only be lost on yourself.
Newly arrived asylum seekers will spend a maximum of four months in State-owned reception centres before moving into not-for-profit housing secured through Approved Housing Bodies (AHBs).
Those not in work will receive income similar to the State’s supplementary welfare payment
Language is important.
Note that these quotes from an Irish Times article are written with the implicit assumption that the AS is genuine.
It doesn't say something like:
"...if their claim is found to be genuine / approved, then they can.....".
The same goes for all the RTE articles about AS, they are written with the presumption that the AS is genuine.
Stories about people due to be deported are based on the underlying presumption that the deportation is not deserved.
I asked an RTE reporter why don't they report the truth.
His reply: "we can't say that".
In reality, the majority of AS are bogus, and should be deported within a week of arrival.
Ok can you explain the difference between a genuine migrant and a migrant that is not genuine?
Unless English is not your first language, in that case don't worry about it
Yes. I was a migrant in the early 80s myself.
>>You seem to have a blanket disapproval against others
I don't, I have a disapproval against those letting them in :)
presumbably you came here for a better job/life. So, yes of course I would ask why you don't see any other peoples as doing the same thing you did. You seem to have a blanket disapproval against others wishing to do the same.
If all your country men did the same as you and applied for work visas to live here, why would you have an issue with that?
what i actually claimed was xenophobia and racism, was treating people differently based on the conflict they are fleeing from. There is no reason for preferential treatment of refugees based on their conflict.
I am able to have opinions that are objective i.e. not affected by my personal history and circumstances. I am indeed an immigrant but that doesn't mean that I will be happy to have all my country men coming here with me because that will be madness - would you agree?
When I came here I had to apply for a work permit that was only granted for highly skilled jobs that paid over a certain threshold - I didn't feel discriminated because I was getting a privilege, not a right, which people often forget that. So please never mention my immigration status as an argument against my opinions on immigration, discuss my arguments not my personal situation.
We do treat people differently depending on their nationality, skills, education level, age and so on. It is not xenophobia and ignorance, it is common sense. A medical degree from France will be accepted here with no questions, one from Rwanda will have to be thoroughly checked - again, this is common sense not xenophobia and ignorance.
Mea culpa, I had forgotten about that, post edited
The difference here is that unlike recent other war's ( EG Syria ) where anyone who could escape,and not wanting to die for Assad, did. In Ukraine, before the travel ban on frighting age men was introduced, anyone could leave. But not everyone did, they tried to get their Families to safety but they remained to fight, and not only that, but Ukrainians from all over the world returned home to fight. The difference between Ukrainians and others is that Ukrainians are fighting not only for their lives but their Country, and their whole way of life.
SLAVA UKRAINE.
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Do you know what migrant means?
You were also someone seeking to come here. I'm unsure why you treat others with blanket disapproval.
As for treating Europeans differently to other nationalities during conflicts, that's just xenophobia and ignorance.
Well.. that's not strictly true, when we consider that the thread is about multiculturalism, and it's effects on nations, rather than simply dealing with immigration/migrants. The blurring of the discussion is something that has been often attempted on the thread.
Being genuine migrants doesn't take away from the potential negative effects these people might have on the society of the host nation, or the behaviour of 2nd/3rd generations from those migrant groups. The thread originally focused on those issues, and many of the criticisms of multiculturalism relate to that of genuine migrants.
However if the point was about genuine asylum seekers, then that's different to the broader concern of genuine migrants.
There were people decrying indian students fleeing Ukraine, forgetting that they have a home to return to and they had plenty opportunities to do so before the war started.
African migrants that fled from Ukraine? Um, why should we be taking them in? Most of them are capable of returning home to Africa, or going elsewhere on their own steam, getting the required visas, and such.
When it comes to Ukrainians, the vast majority will return home once the conflict is finished... do you think the Africans leaving Ukraine will? Nah. They'll take the opportunity to stay in Ireland, considering that the visa requirements which previously prevented them from coming here, have been waived due to the war.
By all means, give them the opportunity to come here under standard visa requirements... but I don't see why they would be treated the same as actual Ukrainian refugees.
Who are the Gemma O'Doherty supporters on the thread and where have they announced their support. I haven't seen any, yet this is the second time you have stated this.
>>It seems a bit odd that you come up with these kinds of questions is all I'm saying.
Yes I'm not a simple minded individual, I already knew it but thanks anyway.
As for my origin and my opinions, I want what (I think) it's best for this country I'm living in, and not what's best for the people seeking to come here.
You are pretty much guaranteed to always ask some convoluted very weird question in your posts. It seems a bit odd that you come up with these kinds of questions is all I'm saying.
Once again it's strange to see EE migrants, who according to most of the Gemma O Doherty supporters on the thread, are taking up housing, jobs, damaging the country in many respects etc etc, complaining about migrants.
There are plenty of countries where there is a perpetual state of civil war or war between factions and tribes, but this should not qualify anyone for asylum. There are places in US where you can get shot just for wearing the wrong colour or hat on the wrong street, does this qualify americans for asylum?
My opinion may differ from others here, although I think not, but I think we absolutely should be taking in the African migrants that have fled the Ukraine. Why? Because these are genuine refugees coming from a real war zone.
Not chancers from Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa, Morocco, Algeria or other African countries where there is no war or civil conflict.
Not only that they want to hand out keys to their own pad to every asylum seeker after 4 months of arriving and also give them full welfare entitlements!
Theyll think the streets must be paved with gold here!
And if you ask me it's fine to give preference to european war refugees that you know for sure they come from a war zone over non europeans with questionable origin and motives.
Diversity of oppinions it's good, right?
According to some on this thread every migrant is a genuine migrant and being against non genuine migrants is a chance to label someone racist.
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