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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Standing ovation for the Ukrainian ambassador



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Airbus & Boeing have essentially shut down all operations within Russia, stopped access to manuals and parts and placed restrictions on maintenance globally so that even if Russia flew a plane to another country, technicians there wouldn't be allowed to work on them. By some reports this means there's basically about 2-3 weeks left for the Russian commercial air industry

    About two thirds of the Russian fleets are Boeing and Airbus with the remaining 330 odd planes coming from other manufacturers, so yes it is a massive blow to the Russian airline industry, but there will be limited services still running, how that is arranged will be interesting to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Condor24


    @Gerson Stop getting upset. We're agreed that what Putin has done is unforgivable. He will pay for it in some shape or form. But I am saying the US has specifically been a major thorn in the side of Ukraine's natural development. Please wake up and study your history before getting emotional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Also their new Irkut MC-21 uses a lot of western parts, so that will be put on the back burner too.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Right. Some time off this thread was good for the soul.

    Anyway, apologies if posted before (unbelievably there are almost 2k posts to catch up on in just a day and a half), but the below is extremely concerning as the ripple effects of the Ukraine conflict start:

    The war in Ukraine may be unfolding several thousand miles away, but 32-year-old Ilham fears her family will feel its consequences on their dinner table in Yemen. Conflict between Ukraine and Russia, which provide more than a quarter of the world's wheat exports, has sent global prices to a 13-year high - causing alarm in Middle Eastern nations that rely on imports for staples from flatbreads to couscous.

    "It's already too expensive for us, so I can't imagine what will happen when the prices jump even further," llham told the Thomson Reuters Foundation, asking not to give her full name. Elsewhere in the food-poor region, shoppers in Lebanon tried to stock up on bread early to avoid higher prices, while bakers in Egypt said they were already feeling the pinch of higher flour costs. Across the Middle East and North Africa, fallout on food prices from the war in Ukraine could drive millions more into "food poverty", said the WFP's senior regional spokesperson, Abeer Etefa.

    As if Yemen hasn't enough to deal with already! And Egyptian government (1/3 of population under poverty line) looking at raising the price of a subsidised loaf of bread for the first time since the 1980s. This conflict will kill people thousands of miles from the frontline.

    It barely needs saying but one of the msot sickening facts about this world is that poor people always get it in the neck first, whether it's poor people drafted into the military, poor civilians with less protection, or poor people thousands of miles away already struggling to survive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No there is not sorry ,

    One supposed leaked phone call and cookies adds up to fauq all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Stop it's embarrassing now watching you ramble away to yourself! Very few on here are in the mood for Russian propaganda at this stage. The one good thing coming out of this is that putin is finished after costing his country several billion and setting it back for years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed we are so when does a region become eligible for independence?? Is it when they hit 1 million? Or is it 2 Million? Why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree. We're all a bit stressed out and I guess we should give each other more slack. Didn't mean to offend.

    That said, if everyone is entitled to their say, why do you advocate for shutting down RT? I never watch it and couldn't give a hoot if it's banned, but does the enthusiasm for shutting it down shown on here (by several, not just you) indicate that there is a little Putin in all of us?

    What should we do with this inner Putin? The same thing we want to do with the real Putin (ie erase it)? (I say yes.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    They have already stated since last year to move away from Western parts and have been focusing on in house Russian parts as well as from the UAE, the new Russian composites are a sign of change, but they still rely on Western avionics (and P&W as on of the two engine options), the current situation may change that, the MC-21 though is still a long way off any meaningful career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    Different interviews that are on Polish webpages with people having private contacts in Russia show that the Kremlin propaganda is working fine internally. Even Russians from big cities like Moscow do believe that Russians are being killed in Ukraine and Putin's army went there to protect them. Obviously all western media are showing fake news. I guess we have to wait for the sanctions to kick it to make them think that maybe it's not a peace keeping operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    My daughter told me she heard a woman (60s) on her train this morning telling her friend that Ukraine fought with the Germans in WWII. Where do people get this stuff from ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Jaysus

    Multiple polls at the time showed that a clear majority of people in those regions did not favour joining Russia, but before anything could be done these armed "separatists" suddenly appeared as a violent force, incredibly well-armed with the latest Russian hardware, backed by Russian soldiers "on holiday", able to shoot down transport aircraft and airliners.

    The whole thing is horseshit, yes the place was Russia-centric, yes there was talk of some federal independence that year from Kyiv, but there was little desire to "separate and join Russia". Moscow manufactured that crisis in S.E Ukraine, it was an invasion by proxy, a very clever mechanism that could deter Ukraine as a whole from joining NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Quite the opposite and possibly the last time that Russia (as part of the Soviet Union) was considered an ally of the US, UK and France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    They can discuss it when queuing for basic items like food etc.

    Propaganda will only go so far but surely questions will be asked as poverty hits them overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    For those who follow Binkov, he has just released the one we have been waiting for. A great analysis of the Ukranian Armed Forces as they are right now.


    https://youtu.be/nbc7299kLOE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @timmyntc wrote:

    Euromaidan was a power play to replace a Russia backed puppet with a Western backed puppet.

    When you claim that (at least) 28 independent democratic governments can conspire together to install a "puppet" government in another country, one would expect that at some point some evidence would emerge about this conspiracy. I mean, not only did Putin conspire to put a puppet in government in Ukraine and Belarus, we also have a shedload of evidence for it.

    Yet somehow, despite multiple elections, governance changes and diplomatic disagreements, all of the EU members have managed to keep evidence of this grand conspiracy under wraps.

    Seems just a bit far-fetched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Serious question. Does anyone here know any Russians who are absolutely against this war? I'm not talking about a random Russian who rings Joe Duffy or some Russian who protested outside the embassy. I'm talking about knowing a Russian, a work colleague or neighbour who will condemn the war. I know several well educated ones who simply will not condemn it. This isn't me having a pop at Russians, I am simply stating the facts as I have experienced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭omega man


    My 16 year old daughter knew that and that’s why she was shocked people of that age were outright lying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    There is a plausible explanation why the Russian army vehicles are running out of fuel. Normally a military vehicle in Russia and other the ex-soviet countries was supposed to carry fuel for 800 km. There are information that soldiers started to make holes in fuel tanks when they realized that it's not a military exercise, but a war. That guarantees that they can't reach the destiantion. Also that would explain why the 60 km (?) long military column going for Kyiv(*) almost stopped.

    Please use spelling Kyiv (from Ukrainian) not Kiev (from Russian). I learned that today.

    Source: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/russian-troops-sabotaging-their-own-tanks-and-walking-away-from-target-towns-to-avoid-combat-in-ukraine-41401492.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    While this is understandable, the offset is that the Russians have an overwhelming superiority in capabilities. Massive amounts of armour and machines are being poured in to this, but they are being going on with underfed and lower morale tips, facing determined and better trained troops. The Ukraine military is inflicting losses no one thought they would, and to be honest, if the militaries were more closely matched in terms of capabilities, I think the Russians would still be stuck at the border eating 7 year old rations.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Reports that Georgia will submit an EU application now, Putin will be p****d off even more now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Apparently Georgia will submit an application to join the EU (but source looks like TASS so will wait on that one)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, but I would have thought those questions would be answered with 'the evil West is trying to break our will.'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Georgia or anywhere else joining the EU is the least of putins worries right now. I'd say trying to negotiate a way of sparing his life after humiliating his country and costing it billions is his top priority now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Is there any proof of this?

    It doesnt matter what the magic number is, what matters is that DPR and LPR are large areas with large populations, of course they deserve the right to self-determination as places of that size, and if they so choose to be independent then why cant they?

    what the threshold is to be an independent movement is irrelevant because clearly whatever number it is, DPR and LPR are well above it. Theyre as big as northern ireland, not some villages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    All 6 Russians on my work team are completely against it. They live in Finland about 3-7 years in total. They are very scared about what will occur in russia, and not about the economy, but what putin will do to protestors when it starts to become known how false all this war is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭thomil


    That would explain why he's seemingly dropped of the surface of the Earth. Maybe it's because of my filter bubble but I haven't seen anything new from the Gremlin in the Kremlin in quite some time.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    Fed up of Boris publicly spouting off all the time. If we're going to get nuked I'd rather it be for physically standing up to Putin, as opposed to Boris constantly goading him with verbals. The tory twat is doing a first class job of trying to improve his own image... on the back of ensuring the UK will be top of the list should mad vlad take the nuclear plunge.



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