Where does that stop? If it was only 1 small village on the border of Ukraine and Russia that wanted to join Russia should they be allowed? If it was 1 small house on the border should they be allowed?
Yea and that is the caveat that is most important in any discussion of referenda - 100% VITAL IMHO - no referendum/cessation talks with Russian troops on Ukrainian soil
Plenty of the "displaced" from Donbas fled to Russia, because pro-Russia or those of Russian descent were targeted by certain Neo-Nazi "civil defence" groups in Ukraine. The situation in DPR and LPR were and are not one-sided affairs.
Could make the European Ploughing Championships later this year pretty interesting...
Ukraine as an economy has stagnated over the past decades while in comparison it's European neighbour's economies have grown. This hasn't escaped the notice of ordinary Ukrainians who have increasingly want to deal with and create ties with the EU. Their controlling neighbours weren't too happy with that, and thanks to the eye-watering corruption in the country the Kremlin could run candidates and get them in, the problem was .. they were eye-wateringly corrupt. When protests emerged, and they rid themselves of that puppet, then the Soviet hammer came down.
In 2014, the Ukrainian people elected Poroshenko, a pro-EU guy. In 2019 they elected Zelenskiy, another pro-EU guy. This is a sovereign country trying to make it's own decisions, it's not a vassal state of Russia. When Britain left the EU a few years back, the EU didn't annex territory, spark an uprising, threaten to invade.
As for Zelenskiy's offshore holdings, an offshore account is not illegal, he moved it before he was president and he openly claims he did so to protect those holdings (which are pretty meagre) from the Russians, I'd tend to believe him
Thats not a question that anyone can answer - for separatists/independence movements worldwide, at what stage does it reach a critical mass that its recognised and acted on?
Should People Republic of Cork be recognised?
Were the 2019 Ukraine Parliamentary elections fair and valid?
Below is a chart of how the regions voted. As you can see in the east, where the blue is, is majority for the Pro Russia, Putin ally led party. Hardly inconceivable that the vote in Crimea was not fair when the 2019 election shows such strong support in the east for the Pro Russia party.
They really are going full on Stalin over there,
death sentence for mentioning the war,
propaganda in schools, feeding lies.
detaining children.
they need to be cut off from everything in the west, everything, seize everything, Visas , everything and never get back in until putin is dead or there is a totally different political ideology over there. Hopefully Asia and Oceania follow suit.
f*ck them,
mind boggling,
Hope the C*nt dies soon.
I dont know im simply pointing out why its a stupid question to ask at all because the answer falls apart once you start questioning well why that region but not this village?
Many countries, such as the USA, UK, France, Germany etc don't recognise Palestine as an independent state..do you support the US etc. in this statement?
No they didn't , Russians voted including thousands who arrived along the the Russian military and militias , Ukrainians were banned from voting Along with Tars and other minorities ,but 110% of the population voted to rejoin Russia ,
Now apparently that added up to 1.5 million votes , but a 2.60 million population at the time suggests have the population where blocked from voting ,
The only ones who said they voted to rejoin Russia was Russia
But, unlike Russia has the Ukraine not actively being trying to deal with the issue?
Zelensky himself has been battling the makeup of the Constitutional Court (via legislative changes) to ensure anti-corruption laws remain valid and purge out any conflicts within the courts (in particular it's judges) in dealing with corruption.
My young fellow is friends with someone with Eastern European ex Soviet state parents.
The kid the other day was trotting out Putinesque reasons for the invasion about how Ukrainians were attacking Russians.
I asked my fellow yesterday what his buddy was saying and he said his father had told him not to talk about it.
But it's not a stupid question - separatist and independence movements are recognised all the time.
2.5 million people live in the DPR area
1.5 mil in LPR
Why arent these places allowed to be independent?
Call it tug of war if you want, but that makes Ukraine the rope and Russia seem happy to burn the rope.
In Sevastopol, the largest city in Crimea, turnout for Sunday's referendum reached an astonishing 123% of registered voters
Seems legit. 👍️
New drones apparently
It's incredible to stand back and watch how quickly the mask has fell off Russia. Putin, up until now was a master manipulator and forged some perceived friendships with the west and evidently had people lobbying Russian interests (Wallace and Daly cough cough)
He kept a tight ship all them years and that has effectively been undone in a week. And now they are in a panic to get the narrative out to get population on their side pushing all sorts of crazy nonsense.
The Russian embassy in Japan ffs attacking their hosts with nonsense Nazi rhetoric. That's what they are going for and evidently The Kremlin is in deep deep panic mode.
I still find it all so hard to comprehend. I've stepped back from watching this story closely but it's all so batshit.
I don’t subscribe to the belief that Putin is a strategic genius, but he has managed to get socialists to side with the super rich, the oligarch of oligarchs, the 0.001%.
He’s either a genius or they are extremely gullible and stupid. As I said, I wouldn’t put my money on Putin being the brightest spark.
The last 24 hours have seen the screw tighten a lot on russia
These 3 actions alone, are likely to have massive impact on the situation in Russia itself as industries start to run out of materials and for anything to do manage to manufacture, they will struggle to find markets. If they do find markets, buyers will be nervous about the stability of supply lines and banks will be extremely hesitant to provide funds for such purchases.
Its not going to stop Putin....yet, but the longer it goes on, the worse things are going to get in Russia.
Why wouldn't a village that was proportionately the same be recognised as independent? Why wouldnt a house?
Would be unusual in the extreme for regions of a country not to become independent but instead become part of another one (one could see why the current ruling country would have a problem with this).
You're defending tax evasion now? Did Poroshenko put his assets offshore too? You know to protect against the Russians?
Man who ran on platform on cracking down on sending money overseas, sends money overseas. And you're here defending it as "meagre". Sure maybe all the Russians put their assets offshore to protect against the pro EU people?
Sorry your wrong ,
The most involvement the west had was handing out Cookies to injured Ukrainians that had been shot by Russian s.
Don't waste your time with the leaked call either , Yanukovych was elected off of lies and Russian involvement ,he was a total fraud from the start
Can't access that page.
What individual countries recognise is irrelevant. The UN recognises Palestine. The UN does not recognise the outcome of the Crimean vote.
In all honesty stating Ukraine is just as bad as Russia is factually inaccurate - This conflict is actually Right v Wrong - Its Right V Might - have a look at the scores - also FREEDOM HOUSE is a reputable academically respected organization so
Whataboutery. we are talking about regions with millions of people, not houses or villages.
Total BS. Its well documented that western intelligence agencies incl CIA were playing an important role in Euromaidan. There are a variety of leaked documents proving their involvement too. Wikileaks had several exposes on it too.
Euromaidan was a power play to replace a Russia backed puppet with a Western backed puppet.
Offshore accounts are not illegal and using one is not automatically tax evasion. Maybe Zelenskiy's situation is illegal, maybe it isn't, that's up to the Ukrainians. It's largely irrelevant now except to posters who seem bizarrely determined to attack him in any way possible.
Russia supplies Ireland with 25% of artificial fertiliser requirements, while Ukraine's grain exports amount to 40% of the EU's requirements.
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