Not taking any side on Putin's plan but what happened in 2014 was the overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Ukraine in a western backed coup. Ukraine was militarily neutral.
And why was he overthrown? Because he decided to accept a more generous funding package from Russia for Ukraine instead of the EU's offer.
This is the reason why we are where we are today.
It was a massive blunder.
That's not to give cover or an excuse to what's happening today but there needs to be some honesty about 2014 in my opinion.
The container ships that are no longer going to Russia
just to say genuine thanks to the genuine posters here daily. Ive been following since the start of this. I have been fairly green about history, wars etc, know the basics, and have learnt so much in this past week. Its scary, horrendous, madness, some of things we're reading and seeing, in 2022! but its also addictive tbh...And please, I dont mean that in anyway dismissing or ignorant but its unbelievable to be following a war in real time. my brain is on the verge of exploding with all the info Ive taken in the past week. Well done to every Ukrainian out there, there is a genuine massive admiration and respect for the unbelievable bravery and fight you are showing the world....
And how is the result going to be different in 2/3 weeks times when Russian flattens them all anyways?
No, as bad as we think their decision was, that would undermine the democratic choice of MEPs.
I'd say that lad earlier wasn't even Russian, just some eejit who found the word on 'de Google' from Mammy's kitchen and decided to troll the thread tbh
I never said the pro-Russian Government could or would not be removed. I said that as soon as that is done, the Russian army rolls back in.
Airbus have already followed suit.
Its bad when you see flights from Russia are taking the same routes has ships
The guy earlier going on about "Zionists". I'm afraid to say that doesn't shock me one bit. I have found that a worrying number of Russians I've known down the years harbour antisemitic beliefs that would shock most of us in the West. Real 1930's German nazi party stuff with a Soviet twist. And they were only the ones who started talking politics after a few drinks. The "Jews" are but a part of the "World is agin' us" lineup in the cultural psyche which has a siege mentality born of the near century of communist rule and the precipitous fall after it.
There was a brief period in the 1990's where that wasn't nearly so present, but IMHO the West made a huge mistake and didn't take advantage of it. Who did were the oligarchs who raped the nation and her people of assets, leaving the way clear for Putin to come in, look like he was tackling them and taking their country back. Now of course he wasn't. He was merely removing the oligarchs he didn't like, bolstering the ones he did, consolidating the riches among a less obvious small number of pricks and putting a good face on it by letting more ordinary Russians thinks they were getting bigger scraps from the table than they were. And for the average Russian Putin's reign as czar was better. Well anything would be after the freefall of asset stripping in plain sight.
If you actually talk to Russians, that's how many of them feel. They all have issues with Putin to some degree or other, but they have a reverence for 'royalty' and leaders long gone in the West for the most part, that allows them to ignore that for the greater good and the 'good' they nearly have to believe he's done for them. That's going to be a very hard nut to crack. And that 'royalist' attitude has been built up over a thousand years of autocrats, most of whom were worshipped as near religious figures. Their church actually canonised five of them including the last one who was killed by the communists. Even when for most of those centuries the common man and woman were little more than slaves. That was suported by their church too. Serfdom was only really abolished in the late 19th century. With a background like that it's 100% understandable why communism was so attractive. Problem was the cultural psyche kept on liking and supporting czars after it, right down to today.
Unless we plan on charging them with a crime (treason perhaps? I jest, I jest) then nope... we're stuck with that shower till we can vote them out in 2024
Airbus have confirmed.
You're beyond parody.
So, they leave a smaller "peacekeepers" behind and the Ukrainians find enough non Pussyhands to rise up... do you think anyone's ever going to say, 'isn't it amazing the Russians never sent in reinforcements.'
I hope you're loving the attention your idiotic comments are attracting.
I don't know. I hope there is. These two make me sick to think the are there represent Irish people.
If Russia win they will have no or neutered ukranian army. They will have secret police. No dissent. Liberals western supporters disappeared or jailed. It took 50 years for Poland etc to break free of that. Those are the stakes.
And yet we are hearing calls for surrender and neo Nazis
They are extraordinary. From the defiant President all the way to the people who are standing in front of tanks, amazing stuff.
They didn't win the long war they agreed to the partition of the country and accepted less than full independance. Not relevant to this topic I just wanted to make that correction.
Is there a way Wallace and Daly can be recalled from the European parliament
Really? Well if the main news reports are anything to go by - a bunch of countries including Canada and Sweden are going to get nuked having already agreed to send anti tank weapons to Ukraine.
Russia does not need an excuse to attack or invade any country. They'll do it because they gamble on no one stopping them. Time they were dealt with properly.
Your posts are full of contradictions though. You reckon Ukraine is too big for the Russians to hold, but also feel that it's inevitable that Ukraine will be crushed.
You reckon the Ukrainians shouldn't resist now while they're armed, in control of most of their country and capable of doing damage to the Russians. But you think they'll stand a better chance after they've let Russia occupy the whole country, disarm the Ukrainians, kill their political and social leaders and crush all free speech, dissent and democracy? How does that make sense?
All far-left and far-right. Always the fringes.
I'm lost for words. In a strange way I have more contempt for him than I have for Putin.
My growing admiration for the Ukrainian people has me at the point of tears just thinking about their stoic defense of their homeland.
We could , It's already been publicly suggested ,but take it this way if this goes nuclear we will be targeted either way ,we are part of the Nato partnership for peace and the EU battlegroups .
If asked we should send what we can
Members of the European Parliament who voted against aid to Ukraine.
People of Ireland be ashamed of these two pricks.
There is a part 2 of that video, it's can be found in the comments of that video. In the part 2 video there are many more V marked vehicles damaged or destroyed.
Edit
https://twitter.com/StandWithUA/status/1497985082082136064 (Part 1)
https://twitter.com/StandWithUA/status/1498008108102209542 (Part 2) - Nearly all vehicles here are marked with a V which suggests they were Chechen fighters.
Very brave girl Ahed Tamimi
Mariupol under heavy attack
"The Ukrainian port city of Mariupol is suffering mass casualties and a water outage as it defends itself from a nonstop onslaught by Russian forces, according to its mayor Vadym Boichenko.
In a live broadcast on Ukrainian TV, Boichenko said:
The enemy occupying forces of the Russian Federation have done everything to block the exit of civilians from the city of half a million people.
Mariupol’s mayor said Russian forces had been “flattening us non-stop for 12 hours now”, the Interfax news agency reported.
We cannot even take the wounded from the streets, from houses and apartments today, since the shelling does not stop."
Anyone think the defence forces in Ireland will send anti-tank weapons to Ukraine?
I would expect Ireland to be attacked of this happens.
They could nuke us as a warning to the western countries not to get involved.
As we are not part of NATO, they would not respond.
I am convinced there will be a nuclear exchange of some kind.
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