Thanks for that, that would be devastating and it would be shocking if the West is not considering that option!
And their $25 is now around $17
See page 158:-
Fragkos, Annemans, De Man, Haider, Mariani, Mayer, Vandendriessche, Vilimsky, Bay, Buschmann, Collard, Konstantinou, Pirbakas, Rivière, Sonneborn, Uhrík, Barrena Arza, Björk, Botenga, Ernst, Georgiou, Konečná, Michels, Pineda, Rego, Scholz
Broken down as:-
Greek Solution (Greece)
VB (Belgium) x3
FPO (Austria) x3
R! (France) x4
Die Partei (Germany)
L'SNS (Slovakia)
Independent (elected as part of Golden Dawn) (Greece)
Independent (elected as part of Tierschutzpartei)(Germany)
Independent (Elected as part of RN) (France)
Sortu/EH Bildu (Spain)
Podemos/IU (Spain) x2
Left (Sweden)
PTB/PVDA (Belgium)
Die Linke (Germany) x3
AKEL (Cyprus)
KSCM (Czechia)
I was listening to a woman on LBC the other day and she got a call form her grandparents in Russia who told her everything was going to be OK, the Russian military are coming to rescue them. She told them about the invasion and they didn't know what to think.
She said they are decent, working class Russian people, not very educated and they only know what they're being told.
I'd imagine the ones with access to foreign news are more likely to have a view that matches us. But i spoke to a mate who is a doctor in a hospital. A Russian colleague said that Ukraine IS part of Russia and Russia sending the military to Ukraine is like the Irish army going to Galway. This was about 3 weeks ago and she went to Russia on holiday between then and the invasion so she hasn't come back yet.
Russians have different opinions on whether Ukraine is independent or not. The ones who answer a vox pop are likely to say the 'right' thing.
I assume by educated you mean “ Death to Russia. Nuke the dictator. **** the Russians”
That sort of thing?
It makes some sense if Russian soldiers have been kept in the dark or lied to about their mission.
Some have already shown that when confronted with the truth, that they are not on a training mission, not supporting 'repressed' separtists in Eastern Ukraine, not being welcomed with open arms for liberating Ukrainian people and they are not willing to play part in an unprovoked all out war on Ukraine including the killing civilians and indiscriminate bombing of population centres.
Some ground forces have stopped and turned back when met by unarmed local people blocking their way protesting against the invasion.
Artillery barges and missile attacks avoid face to face meeting with the people they are attacking. It is easier to sell a lie when you prevent your army from seeing the truth.
Apparently the 95th Air Assault brigade captured the town of Horlivka, normally under DPR control. No confirmation as yet though.
Me too and I couldn’t agree more- in fact they ARE enemies of our state. Nothing innocent or misguided about these people whatsoever
I have a feeling that convoy will be in smithereens before the day is out.
There needs to be investigations into people and lobby groups at least. It was found that there were Gazprom funded lobbyists who were funded to try and get countries to abandon nuclear.
Russia were also siphoning money to fund Anti-Fracking campaign's
With the exception of 2-4, I don't think any Irish politicians have been compromised by Russia. But there are NGOs constantly in the ears of government politicians in regard to Green issues. We abandoned our own gas exploration. We shut down our power production plants. We banned turf burning and then proceeded to import it from Latvia because it was too soon.
Everything was too soon. The push was hard. We could all see it was too soon. Except for politicians who were getting lobbied hard.
And I haven't even mentioned the dodgy stuff that the former German chancellor was doing with Gazprom. It's all there for Gerhard Schroeder.
The Americans must be looking at that convoy sitting there thinking feck we could take out most of Putins army in 20 mins.
Will they ever get a better chance?
Must be very frustrating.
Think it's highly unlikely Ukraine have the bodies to push the Russians back much as I would love it to happen .Putin will unleash whatever he has and that is a lot . Still hoping against hope he is stopped but am pretty worried for the people of Ukraine .
On that. Is there any confirmation on the reported reclamation of an area in Donetsk previously held by separatists?
I was reading that conscripts get under $25 a month for their required year whereas those with a 3 year contract get over $1000. That hardly helps morale.
Ok ffs. Time for the world to say enough is enough. The Russians cant be let act with impunity using the thinly veiled threats of nukes to push their way around. Lets give the Ukraine some proper help in the form of troops and planes.
#fuckrussia
Plenty of evidence the Russians are using cellphones and off the shelf retail radios to issue commands. All of them unencrypted.
Exactly, and thank you. I'm really surprised, as I mentioned in another post, that the data cables off the West Coast are not being monitored or at least inspected in and around the area where both the Russian research vessel, the Vantar, was working or the naval exercises took place. What if, hypothetically speaking, they left something behind. The ace up the sleeve.
There is a third option. Ukrainian forces begin a pushback and begin to take the upper hand.
There seems to be a lot of activity on the ground and in the air over and around Ukraine that we, as ordinary citizens, are not aware of. But there are many clues.
The OSINT Community are seeing signs that it may be possible for the Ukranians to take full advantage of Russian difficulties. NATO and USAF aircraft are feeding enormous amounts of data to the Ukranian armed forces on troop movements. The West have supplied and trained the Ukranians to use Western compatible encrypted Data and Communication equipment over the last few years.
It's highly likely, as one poster mentioned earlier, that a move against the large military column will happen very soon. If that does occur, the game is up for Russia.
Very interesting contributions from you sir!
Are you referring to Russia attempting against the communications infrastructure, impacting the West?
Our government, and whether you like them or no,they are our Irish government support Ukraine in its war with the Russian invaders. IMO, and I have to be careful as I received a warning already, those who do not condemn putin regardless of their nationality should be treated as enemies of our state.
if this is the case, with people living outside Russia thinking like this, what are the chances of people living within Russia to oppose Putin?
Thats a list of facists and communists, FFS Golden Dawn in there. Well done Mick and Claire you are 1930s politicians.
Anyone have a list of the 26 abstentions?
UK MoD on the latest situation.
It is definitely deluded. There is a reason why (with the exception of Belarus and Transnistria) all European ex-eastern bloc countries look to the west, and not Russia - the collapse of the Soviet Union was a good thing. No-one outside Russia wants Putin's recreation of a Soviet/Russian empire to happen, everyone's moved on and the countries to the west of Russia are now democracies. Also, just because they had an empire before doesn't grant them a god-given right to act like they still got one.
To me, Putin's actions aren't any different to if Queen Elizabeth suddenly announced, "right, we're restarting the British Empire. First, we'll add Ireland, then Australia, then Canada, and then the USA". No-one would say "well, she was provoked by the East, so she is within her rights to act".
That is why Putin needs to be stopped. Hopefully he doesn't destroy his great country before that happens.
Yeah I read that, she makes some very good points but also a little bit histrionic. Annoying article format too!
It's a talking point. Here's an article from the Guardian ( hardly propaganda ) which breaks down events pretty well
No where did I say I agreed with Putin or believe a word that comes out of his mouth - all I was looking for was more information. Obviously I agree attacking Ukraine in this manner is totally unjust, some of the videos I've seen in recent days are sickening
Russia’s belief in Nato ‘betrayal’ – and why it matters today
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today
People are trying to make sense of this and most are pretty angry about it so it's not a surprise to see some respond accordingly but I can't say I've seen clichés about Russians. Almost everyone has acknowledged that this is a Putin war, not a Russian one and certainly not one supported by the Russian nation. Yes, the adult comment applies to all posters even those judgemental know better posters wagging fingers at others.
Why should the Ukraine give up any prospect of ever joining any alliance with another country on the whim of a neighbour? Especially when that same neighbour refuses to acknowledge their right to existence and would forcibly take their land. This isn't as simple as giving up NATO and/or EU options. Do that and they are confined to Russian bedfellows regardless of the outcome.
The NATO expansion line used in defence of Putin shows how successful propaganda can be. Granted there is propaganda coming from all sides.
If you go to Finland and talk to the Finnish, talk to Estonians, Latvians or Lithuanians in Ireland - they never trusted Putin and couldn’t wait to get their countries into NATO. Finland opted to stay neutral but with big defence spending. Sometimes the aggressor really is the dictator sitting in Moscow. The Salisbury incident in the U.K. should have showed people what a thug Putin can be.
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