I noticed that today. It already started. A lot of 'whataboutery', america in Iraq, Israel, 'im not a fan of putin, but...' and 'just asking questions....'
Pretty deplorable thread. Lots of tacit excitement about the war and general exhilaration masked as concern. Huge amount of cliches and ignorance regarding Russia and Russian people being thrown about too. I doubt any of you have spent any time living in Russia or speaking with Russian people. Some fairly grotesque racism on show also. It’s actually embarrassing.
Funny, seems anything goes once people are channelled together against a common enemy. Surely ye are able to discuss what is happening like adults.
Daly and Wallace on RT last year. These two absolutely boil my blood. Two more Putin puppets masquerading as Irish representatives.
You just quoted a Russian propaganda site by the way. It was announced from the Canadian minister of natural resources, he is prohibiting the future import of Russian oil or any associated products. It's part of the wider package (below)
If it is non-mandatory, then I cannot compare it to the Ukrainian law that I was referring to:
The law, which obliges all citizens to know the Ukrainian language and makes it a mandatory requirement for civil servants, soldiers, doctors, and teachers, was championed by outgoing President Petro Poroshenko.
Then, it looks like there was additional development on the language topic based on the Human Rights Watch site:
The provision, which entered into force on January 16, is stipulated in article 25 of the law. It requires print media outlets registered in Ukraine to publish in Ukrainian. Publications in other languages must also be accompanied by a Ukrainian version, equivalent in content, volume, and method of printing. Additionally, places of distribution such as newsstands must have at least half their content in Ukrainian.
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There are concerns about whether guarantees for minority languages are sufficient. The Venice Commission, the Council of Europe’s top advisory body on constitutional matters, said that several of the law’s articles, including article 25, “failed to strike a fair balance” between promoting the Ukrainian language and safeguarding minorities’ linguistic rights. It stated that “historical oppression of Ukrainian ... may lead to the adoption of positive measures aimed at promoting Ukrainian, but this cannot justify depriving the Russian language and its speakers of the protection granted to other languages…”
I have not heard that there are language laws prohibiting national languages in Russia. If there is something similar, please share. I have friends within the Russian minorities and we communicate in Russian, but there are people who don't even understand it and speak their national language.
True. He's held back a lot of the army so far. I heard on the radio today that only small groups are being send into the city's. Some are special forces. The bulk of the army is held in reserve. Russia also has a considerable amount of army back in Russia. There army is huge. They spend more money on the military compared to the economy.
Another backward shithole with a history of backing terrorists.
Any chance Putin might fall down a stairs or something else unfortunate like that? Surely there's some discussions in the shadows happening in the Kremlin or are the top brass utterly loyal to him no matter what?
Debate is healthy.
I am very disappointed in Pakistan. By financing Russia, they are sustaining a war that results in the deaths of countless innocent lives.
Russia just re-introduced the death penalty a few days ago.
Anyone organising protests against Putin, The Kremlin, or the war, will likely be tried for treason and executed.
Absolutely. The way you put is strikingly wrong-headed. The Russian footbal team are 'innocent' yet FIFA should have kicked them to the kerb the day after the invasion. Russian employees of Russian banks are probably mostly 'innocent' but if they lose their jobs over this that is Putin's fault. The Russian Oligarchs are not innocent and affecting their lifetyle and that of their family members is more than legitimate and they well and truly are fair game as are all Russian entities in the west connected to the Putin regime.
Why you care more about these pampered kids than Putin does is beyond me. He can stop all this in an instant. You really shouldn't be white knighting and blaming the sanction bringers, blame Putin. He has literal blood on his hands, while those imposing ar calling for sanctions do not.
i can’t believe it’s not hesitant. Putin may be unhinged but he is still able to play political games. Ukraine is his current chess board and he’s pushing a few pawns forward to see will it be enough to get what he wants.
I am sorry Wibbs. You are absolutely right. I was frustrated by the poster because his claims were so outlandish.
I had a debate with a member of my extended family today. He reckoned it was all propaganda from the West to consolidate some form of New World Order. My patience is at a low ebb… I am in no form for fools tonight
Usually well known pro-Putin or partisan posters who find older accounts and start posting on them. This thread will start filling up with them. At least people in the Russian troll farms are paid, these ones do it for free
Why Joliv? Genuinely. Better to read the other side, especially if they're not ranting and are to be fair including links, many of which are not Russian or Russian leaning. The phrase "know your enemy" is universal, but the original is: "If you know your enemy, you don't need to fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know only yourself and not the enemy, for every victory you will suffer defeat. If you don't know your enemy or yourself, you will be defeated in every battle" The Art of War. Sun Tzu.
You had no idea Navalny was poisoned, yet you suddenly produce all these Putinbot talking points out of thin air. Never having posted before.
A few months ago 3 scumbags were crushed to death while driving a stolen car after colliding with a lorry. There was minimal public sympathy for them and even less when their friends and family celebrated them being criminal vermin at the funeral. An aunt (or other relative) of one of the deceased took issue with all the negative public opinion and went on Joe Duffy complaining. She went on big spiels about how her nephew was a lovely lad and everyone is wrong and only God can judge etc. Whenever Duffy would ask her about his extensive criminal record, his violent history, the crime he was in the process of committing as he died she'd respond with "Oh I don't know", "So they say but we just don't know" and "I never heard or saw that myself".
I'm reminded of this by the posters here who come out with "Who knows what's really going on", "All sides are biased" and "I don't understand...." whenever Russia's crimes are mentioned, but the same posters are simultaneously firm in their convictions and are able post novels about how it's all Ukraine and NATOs fault.
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Have we had the discussion about India’s de facto support for Russia yet?
A) I don't think Ukraine will ever be admitted to the EU while Russia occupies any part of its officially-recognised territory, including Crimea. EU leaders like Von Der Leyen can make emotional pronouncements in public speeches about wanting Ukraine in the club, but the pragmatists behind the scenes are not going to go for that at all. Not in the current situation. Even forgetting about the war/occupation, there's grounds to ask if it can be admitted due to government corruption.
B) No, NATO would not get involved. NATO's official position is that if a NATO country is attacked, the whole bloc is attacked, but being in the EU doesn't mean being in NATO.
The Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau should be ashamed of himself. Stating he has sent "a powerful message" by banning oil import from Russia when Canada in fact does not buy Russian oil.
Playing politics and not taking Russian aggression seriously. Shame on him, he just sinks lower and lower.
Which is weird as they have a love/hate relationship with India who abstained from the UN Security Council vote.
Russia is really being cut off from the rest of the world, at this rate they will be like NK except Putin won't care and carry on til he gets what he wants - the oil and gas and a land push in to the EU.
What the hell are you on about?
There is no "war". Not even Putin has called it that. It's an invasion by Russia of an independent country. The military of that country and its citizens are cooperating to try and repel the invasion which seems to contravene international law.
Innocent civilians are being killed as a result of that invasion. Plenty of first hand accounts that this is happening.
There is no NATO involved. Ukraine are not members of NATO. No NATO or even any non NATO country has waded in to stop the invasion. Putin has infact threatened Nuclear Escalation if any do so.
The level of whataboutery In your posts is truely staggering.
Nope, no obligation from NATO anyways. EU are in theory an economic body as opposed to a military force (hence no army) so likely EU just continue to put Russia's balls in a vice economically.
Be similar if Ireland was invaded, as unlikely a scenario as that may be (though in our case the Brits would likely get involved due to NI)
Whom to believe? One side says there is a war, one side says there isn't. Whatever is one to do?
If only there was some way of determining whether a dictatorship with a heavily restricted press or democracies with press freedom could be relied upon to give the correct information...
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